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Post by scully19 on Apr 29, 2023 2:07:58 GMT -5
I don't care too much personally about LeBron, but sort of annoyed with hearing too much about the Lakers to want them to succeed. I have grown somewhat anti-grizz due to the annoying players so I was happy with that win.
Warriors having to win another road game in this series seems like a tall ask after how bad they've been this year on the road. I think they might have needed to win this game. Their best bet is the Kings getting caught up in game 7 pressure.
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Post by haisan on Apr 29, 2023 3:16:53 GMT -5
I was annoyed with LeBron a decade ago. Now, I want to see him break all the records he can and be amazing. It’s wild to think we’ll probably never see another player like him, at least in my lifetime. Would love to see him get another championship (Curry too).
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Post by sandman on Apr 29, 2023 8:51:24 GMT -5
I was annoyed with LeBron a decade ago. Now, I want to see him break all the records he can and be amazing. It’s wild to think we’ll probably never see another player like him, at least in my lifetime. Would love to see him get another championship (Curry too). Somewhere, there's a 6 year old ballin' out right now trying to prove you wrong in a decade or so...
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Post by haisan on Apr 29, 2023 9:09:54 GMT -5
I was annoyed with LeBron a decade ago. Now, I want to see him break all the records he can and be amazing. It’s wild to think we’ll probably never see another player like him, at least in my lifetime. Would love to see him get another championship (Curry too). Somewhere, there's a 6 year old ballin' out right now trying to prove you wrong in a decade or so... I'd love to be wrong. Especially if that 6-year-old ends up playing for the Raptors. :-)
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Post by scully19 on Apr 29, 2023 10:55:12 GMT -5
I was annoyed with LeBron a decade ago. Now, I want to see him break all the records he can and be amazing. It’s wild to think we’ll probably never see another player like him, at least in my lifetime. Would love to see him get another championship (Curry too). Somewhere, there's a 6 year old ballin' out right now trying to prove you wrong in a decade or so... somewhere in France there's a Wemby that wants to prove it wrong.
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Post by scully19 on May 1, 2023 20:54:14 GMT -5
Philly just beat Boston without Embiid and what looked like a cake walk for Boston is now interesting. Harden drops 45, as we know he will run out of steam as the series goes on so they needed this now from him.
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Post by haisan on May 1, 2023 21:37:56 GMT -5
Didn't just beat Boston ... but beat 'em in such a disheartening finish. Brought me much joy.
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Post by haisan on May 1, 2023 22:02:39 GMT -5
God, it would be funny if we ended up with a Miami-Lakers finals (No. 8 seed versus No. 7).
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Post by zugzwang on May 2, 2023 6:36:17 GMT -5
God, it would be funny if we ended up with a Miami-Lakers finals (No. 8 seed versus No. 7). Certainly not expecting that, but man, that would forever change the "Play-in for what?" mantra. That's got to be some very long Vegas odds.
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Post by haisan on May 2, 2023 19:09:47 GMT -5
Embiid finally got his MVP. Tbh, I think he deserved it. At least one. … Now let’s see if he can get out of the playoffs second round….
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Post by sandman on May 2, 2023 19:53:37 GMT -5
Wonder who will sign Dillon Brooks. Seemed like a Sacramento type signing but they're actually good now.
Guy is a bigger clown than Green.
And he's Canadian...
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Post by freewheel on May 2, 2023 20:19:20 GMT -5
I'd have voted for Atentokoumpo.
As for Brooks, I don't think hes as bad as the character he's decided to play. It just feels fake to me. He might be able to clean it up if he has any brains.
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Post by haisan on May 2, 2023 20:59:37 GMT -5
I'd have voted for Atentokoumpo. As for Brooks, I don't think hes as bad as the character he's decided to play. It just feels fake to me. He might be able to clean it up if he has any brains. I don't think I would have voted for Embiid. But when I look at the NBA over the past five years ... seeing 2 MVPs going to Atentokoumpo, 2 to Jokic, and 1 to Embiid seems about right.
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Post by haisan on May 3, 2023 0:07:53 GMT -5
Lakers stole home court. Seven wins away from the finals~
Hard to believe this is the same team as the regular season.
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Post by scully19 on May 4, 2023 17:16:34 GMT -5
Coach Bud has been fired. I get why but at the same time, dude's brother died in the same week. Ballsy for them to still fire him.
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Post by Pseudonym on May 6, 2023 21:45:58 GMT -5
Watching the playoffs has made me lower on our roster. Dinos are light years away from this kind of shotmaking.
I will say that it's actually impressive what a terrible road team the Dubs are.
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Post by haisan on May 7, 2023 2:01:22 GMT -5
Watching the playoffs has made me lower on our roster. Dinos are light years away from this kind of shotmaking. I will say that it's actually impressive what a terrible road team the Dubs are. It’s like, Ujiri put together an athletic, flexible roster that can do almost anything but, you know, put the ball in the hoop. Bit of an oversight, that. Anyhow, I maintain that our team has some pretty good talent, it’s just terribly constructed. Way too much overlap. So getting rid of one of our forwards for a good shooter should make a huge difference (just like acquiring Poeltl did).
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Post by Pseudonym on May 7, 2023 11:18:40 GMT -5
Watching the playoffs has made me lower on our roster. Dinos are light years away from this kind of shotmaking. I will say that it's actually impressive what a terrible road team the Dubs are. It’s like, Ujiri put together an athletic, flexible roster that can do almost anything but, you know, put the ball in the hoop. Bit of an oversight, that. Anyhow, I maintain that our team has some pretty good talent, it’s just terribly constructed. Way too much overlap. So getting rid of one of our forwards for a good shooter should make a huge difference (just like acquiring Poeltl did). That sounds about right. But the team's halfcourt offense is still abysmal and their shooting is still basically at the bottom of the league. So like the gap to medrocity is still pretty far. But like Yak, as you said, because of non-existent roster balance, another shooter could bring much more of a positive effective than his actual production would suggest. More shooters would certainly make Barnes' passing more lethal, for example. The nudge could be stopping the team from being less than the sum of its parts.
My thing is, another shooter still leaves massive issues in the halfcourt. The path to becoming like 20th seems like a far one. Until that happens, they are first round fodder.
I'm also coming around to the idea that teams will give up more for players after the playoffs. But again, the FO has basically made this as hard on themselves as possible.
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Post by freewheel on May 7, 2023 17:42:50 GMT -5
A shooter (or three) is paramount but they also need ballhandling. I dont think they put enough pressure on the rim. Vanvleet drives it but isn't much of a threat to finish at the hoop. Nor is he a very good passer in traffic. Is there anyone else who can beat his man off the dribble and finish? It's not Siakam despite his being our best isolation option. He's no passer either. Nobody on the team plays above the rim or finishes with force on the drive. Anunoby has some muscle and finish but can't get to the rim. Barnes is a little better but is lacking in quickness to be an isolation option. Barnes and Siakam are essentially the same player.
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Post by sandman on May 7, 2023 20:23:44 GMT -5
I think Masai tried to get ahead of the shift in the game by creating the longboi unit. There was evidence that tall, lanky, switchable guys, not exactly tied to the regular "5 man unit" is the next big thing in the NBA. Unfortunately, the change isn't fully there yet and you still need some of the traditional things of the past - a playmaking guard, a legit big that can guard the paint, and shooting that's effective and efficient.
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Post by haisan on May 8, 2023 3:44:38 GMT -5
And in related analyses.. one thing that annoys me about where the Raptors are now is remembering all those stories about how good we allegedly were at player development and teaching shooting. But the regression over the last four years has proven that laughably wrong.
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Post by zugzwang on May 8, 2023 6:31:44 GMT -5
And in related analyses.. one thing that annoys me about where the Raptors are now is remembering all those stories about how good we allegedly were at player development and teaching shooting. But the regression over the last four years has proven that laughably wrong. Me too -- that was supposed be the Raptor's thing. Made young talent happy to come here. I specifically remember the shooting being mentioned often, which was why acquiring young long players who could not shoot made sense. That shot could be developed. Does anyone know if this might be attributable to any lost personnel or trainers? I know we lost Stackhouse, but I thought it was still humming after he left.
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Post by freewheel on May 8, 2023 9:37:47 GMT -5
We stopped playing young players and instead have cycled though a whole bunch of retreads. And that wouldn't be so bad if they had kept any of the retreads to the point that they became an effective part of the rotation. Instead we play them for half a season and dump them, wasting valuable development time that could have been given to one of our draft choices.
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Post by haisan on May 9, 2023 9:33:22 GMT -5
I specifically remember the shooting being mentioned often, which was why acquiring young long players who could not shoot made sense. That shot could be developed. Does anyone know if this might be attributable to any lost personnel or trainers? It is amazing watching the Raptors' shooting slide into oblivion since our championship season. Starting with our last DeRozan year: Year - 2pt% - 3pt% (rank)
2018 - 3rd - 18th 2019 - 7th - 6th 2020 - 21st - 5th 2021 - 25th - 15th 2022 - 28th - 20th 2023 - 28th - 28th Just fyi, the other champs' shooting over that span: 2018 - Warriors - 1st - 1st 2020 - Lakers - 3rd - 21st 2021 - Bucks - 4th - 5th 2022 - Warriors - 3rd - 8th (Then again, this year has Miami, the Lakers, the Knicks and Phoenix all in the second round, and they're all abysmal shooting teams. Phoenix shot worse from 2 than the Raptors did!)
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Post by scully19 on May 9, 2023 9:47:26 GMT -5
And in related analyses.. one thing that annoys me about where the Raptors are now is remembering all those stories about how good we allegedly were at player development and teaching shooting. But the regression over the last four years has proven that laughably wrong. Me too -- that was supposed be the Raptor's thing. Made young talent happy to come here. I specifically remember the shooting being mentioned often, which was why acquiring young long players who could not shoot made sense. That shot could be developed. Does anyone know if this might be attributable to any lost personnel or trainers? I know we lost Stackhouse, but I thought it was still humming after he left. Nurse wrote a shooting book. He was supposed to be the guy to get them there. The lack of development there I'm sure contributed to the problems.
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Post by Pseudonym on May 9, 2023 16:01:41 GMT -5
Also, with the lack of rim pressure, has the team ever given Siakam and Barnes DHO actions to work with?
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Post by scully19 on May 11, 2023 23:39:23 GMT -5
Celtics save their season, the Suns do not. All in trades seem to cause so much problems, they emptied the bench and that was their biggest problem going forward, well that and Ayton actually being mediocre and Chris Paul age showing through.
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Post by Pseudonym on May 12, 2023 15:54:28 GMT -5
Imagine getting destroyed in an elimination game by LukaGod, literally trading for Kevin Durant and still getting blown out in an elimination game, almost a year to the day.
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Post by scully19 on May 12, 2023 18:46:05 GMT -5
Imagine getting destroyed in an elimination game by LukaGod, literally trading for Kevin Durant and still getting blown out in an elimination game, almost a year to the day. I think the days of trading everything for a player are about to end. Gobert is obviously a terrible trade so no surprise that didn't end well for them, but now you traded everything for KD and it still doesn't work out because you're way to thin. Now they have to try to manage to add players around then but have very few options to do it. Those 2 may be fantastic but you need 7 to 8 guys that can play, stars can't do everything forever, eventually you hit burnout.
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Post by sandman on May 12, 2023 22:25:25 GMT -5
Ayton supposedly available.
Always been a fan. Although we got the Yak (probably) now..
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