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Post by scully19 on Oct 29, 2020 9:52:08 GMT -5
Get one of these going now for what might turn out to be a very short and probably very active off season.
Start it off with Morey going to Philly as team President. Can't say I'm happy about this, Brand has shown to be not a very good GM at this point and threw away a young good team and a ton of assets in order for much quicker success but then doing such a bad job they didn't find that either. Then he was so terrible at surrounding them with players that fit that they fell below all expectations. While Morey didn't win it all in Houston he knows what this team needs and now he has the financial backing of the owners to spend to bring a winner. Not good.
Part 2, NBA and it's owners are pushing to start the season in Dec because they see no chance of the virus going away next season waiting for fans would actually just be worse. Proposing 72 game season with heavy division play and potentially only playing within the same conference. Could end up playing each team in your division 8 times each, in our tough division that will be a battle, poor Knicks whatever their over/under is seems like you take the under.
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Post by scully19 on Nov 3, 2020 9:46:17 GMT -5
The Atlantic division, that once garnered the moniker the 'Titanic' division because of it's general awfulness of every single team in the division (until the Raps surprised everyone that year) now might be the toughest division in the league in a year where you might play your own division more than normal...
Raps and Celtics were 2 of the best teams in the division this year and that is expected to be much of the same with internal improvements of both teams pushing them.
Then the Sixers have top tier talent, and while some may have picked them as title contenders last year I think most of us thought they would falter due to their poor team design around that top talent. Well they ended up starting to clear up that team building by fixing their management system picking up Doc Rivers as coach (very good but slightly overrated IMO) and more importantly Daryl Morey as President. He will help guide the team building now to properly surround their main guys with the right talent to let them play to their strengths.
Finally you have the Nets. They have probably the best player in the league in 2019 but who obviously missed last year we are unsure how good he will be when he comes back. They also have top talent and horrible teammate Kyrie Irving and is a large part of why I was not overly worried about this team. Then they added Nash as coach, who is a brilliant mind for basketball and one who every Canadian holds high and he could help fix and improve Kyrie's flaws, but his inexperience might hold them back slightly. In order to address that they made a brilliant move and brought in Mike D'Antoni to be the assistant head coach and really help Nash learn the finer points of coaching. These last 2 hires have really brought me around to this team's potential. With the remaining players on the team they have plenty of assets to continue to build their team around these 4 people to have an extremely strong lineup.
All 4 of the teams could and should be fighting for the top 2-5 best teams in the west and the only thing that will end up hindering that is that they will have to play each other too much to hold all of those spots.
Looks like the whole tanking to improve thing worked for most teams in the Titanic. Knicks are and will continue to be hot garbage.
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Post by sutureself on Nov 12, 2020 16:02:32 GMT -5
Multiple sites reporting that Lakers are looking to trade Kuzma and Danny Green for Derozan. Hate to say but I think that would be a huge steal for the Spurs and an incredibly dumb move by the Lakers, which is why I don't really believe it'll happen.
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Post by scully19 on Nov 12, 2020 17:02:47 GMT -5
I don't know about huge steal, seems like a lose lose to me. DeRozan doesn't fit on the Lakers for what they need which is defensive 3pt shooter from the wing and expires this year. Danny Green is a longer contract and seems to be regressing with age although maybe a good leader to the youth movement in the Spurs. I guess Kuzma would be a good pickup for that youth movement but he has benefitted massive from the LA spotlight and them acting like all their players are awesome. I don't think Kuzma is really that great. Spurs would win the trade in getting Kuzma now but very quickly need to pay him maybe more than he is worth to keep him, and they take on extra money in Green.
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Post by coach on Nov 12, 2020 19:25:57 GMT -5
I think Lebron could work with DeRozen. There seems to be a line of thought that DeRozen is not that good of a player. Go up and down the Raptors lineup. Or any team's lineup. DeRozen will help most teams, although his contract for one more year isn't that attractive. Granted he's not in the very top tier of the league but he's not an anchor either.
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Post by sutureself on Nov 12, 2020 19:29:49 GMT -5
I don't know about huge steal, seems like a lose lose to me. DeRozan doesn't fit on the Lakers for what they need which is defensive 3pt shooter from the wing and expires this year. Danny Green is a longer contract and seems to be regressing with age although maybe a good leader to the youth movement in the Spurs. I guess Kuzma would be a good pickup for that youth movement but he has benefitted massive from the LA spotlight and them acting like all their players are awesome. I don't think Kuzma is really that great. Spurs would win the trade in getting Kuzma now but very quickly need to pay him maybe more than he is worth to keep him, and they take on extra money in Green. Green has an expiring contract this season so they won't have to give up any long term salary flexibility to get him; he only signed for two years with the Lakers.
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Post by scully19 on Nov 13, 2020 11:15:46 GMT -5
I think Lebron could work with DeRozen. There seems to be a line of thought that DeRozen is not that good of a player. Go up and down the Raptors lineup. Or any team's lineup. DeRozen will help most teams, although his contract for one more year isn't that attractive. Granted he's not in the very top tier of the league but he's not an anchor either. DeMar has certain skills for sure, but they are not a good fit in what the Lakers need. He's like a LeBron light in scoring and passing but not in defense, they basically have that and then better secondary scoring in Davis. Unless they plan on making DeMar the 6th man scorer which actually could work well for him I just don't see it.
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Post by sandman on Nov 13, 2020 17:09:29 GMT -5
Oladipo rumours seem interesting.
Yay or nay to him on the Raps?
Id be a yay on adding him just probably not at the price tag.
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Post by sutureself on Nov 13, 2020 21:53:51 GMT -5
I'd say nay just because if we can keep FVV instead, I think he's straight up a better player than Oladipo right now--better shooter, better distributor--while Oladipo might demand more money because he had a couple All-Star appearances and made 3rd team All-NBA once. But I guess if FVV walks, Oladipo would make a good consolation prize. I definitely view him as the backup plan rather than someone we should go after hard as Plan A.
Edit: I guess I should add that healthy Oladipo, with more prototypical SG size, was more effective at attacking the rim/creating his own shot than Fred. But I say 'was' better rather than 'is' better because I don't know if he'll get back to where he was at a couple years ago, or if this is just the new normal now. Throughout his career FVV has consistently been around 39 or 40% from 3 which I think is a more important skill to space the floor, and if Oladipo isn't your number one option and keeps shooting in low 30s from 3 he could be pretty bad for floor spacing.
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Post by coach on Nov 14, 2020 3:31:39 GMT -5
I think Lebron could work with DeRozen. There seems to be a line of thought that DeRozen is not that good of a player. Go up and down the Raptors lineup. Or any team's lineup. DeRozen will help most teams, although his contract for one more year isn't that attractive. Granted he's not in the very top tier of the league but he's not an anchor either. DeMar has certain skills for sure, but they are not a good fit in what the Lakers need. He's like a LeBron light in scoring and passing but not in defense, they basically have that and then better secondary scoring in Davis. Unless they plan on making DeMar the 6th man scorer which actually could work well for him I just don't see it. Funny you mention 6th man. I was thinking about that. At this stage of the game probably not but definitely a possibility down the road. As to Lakers DeRozen would provide spacing for LeBron and Davis. They generate double teams and DeRozen would make them pay.
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Post by sutureself on Nov 15, 2020 14:37:07 GMT -5
Lakers are about to trade their 1st and Danny Green to Thunder for Dennis Schroeder, so sounds like that DeRozan deal isn't happening since Green would've been one of the only logical contracts for salary matching. Pretty smart trade for both teams, gives Lakers an upgrade this year and since Schroeder is also expiring doesn't tie them up if they go after a big FA next offseason. Thunder have lots of guard depth and at least get a pick for a guy who wasn't part of long-term future.
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Post by scully19 on Nov 16, 2020 13:55:39 GMT -5
basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260269/Suns-Acquire-Chris-Paul-From-Thunder-For-Ricky-Rubio-Kelly-OubreSuns have traded Rubio and Oubre + other stuff for Chris Paul and some dude. Sure looks like Phoenix believes in themselves after the 8-0 bubble but this is obviously a short term decision with Paul not only old but also have 2 years left on his contract. I guess the goal is just to get Booker signed for longer and work the next plan out later. Good news for us Raptors fans is this removes Phoenix from the FVV sweepstakes, who might have honestly been the only real threat. Now unless either Detroit or the Knicks offer near max, which no one expects them too, then FVV is going to be comparing 3 roughly equivalent 20 for 4 offers, but it's between 2 dumpsters fires teams and the best performing team for the last 10 years. Kind of a no brainer at this point.
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Post by Springer on Nov 16, 2020 17:08:17 GMT -5
What the hell are the Suns thinking???
And Oubre is going to look good in a Thunders uniform. Good job OKC!
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Post by scully19 on Nov 16, 2020 19:33:16 GMT -5
For sure reading way too much into the 8 and 0 and ignoring that every team took them as a joke. Plus they very very desperately want to make the playoffs so they are just going to go for it, throw away long term for short term. This is the issue with most GMs, they are expected to make the playoffs immediately so throw away long term.
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Post by sutureself on Nov 16, 2020 22:12:16 GMT -5
It's weird to me Suns gave up a 1st in this deal as well. Oubre's still only 24 and I thought that would be enough to land a 35 year old PG without throwing a 1st in there too. Pretty funny that OKC got two 1sts from Houston to offset the value difference at the time between Chris Paul and Westbrook, but if Houston tried to trade Westbrook now I don't think they'd get a package as good as Rubio, Oubre and a 1st.
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Post by sutureself on Nov 16, 2020 22:15:43 GMT -5
For sure reading way too much into the 8 and 0 and ignoring that every team took them as a joke. Plus they very very desperately want to make the playoffs so they are just going to go for it, throw away long term for short term. This is the issue with most GMs, they are expected to make the playoffs immediately so throw away long term. Maybe not directly comparable, but reminds me a bit of when BC traded for Jermaine O'Neal
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Post by scully19 on Nov 16, 2020 23:43:16 GMT -5
So the Bucks just acquired Jrue Holiday from the pelicans and I just died a little inside. They were even able to move out Bledsoe in the process. Included draft picks that I assume are unprotected it at least damn close to it because that is crazy.
EDIT: so now it turns out those draft picks were actually 3 future first round picks and 2 pick swaps. The Bucks just traded the future for Jrue, if this doesn't work and he gets injured or something they as a franchise are screwed for 5 years. Before they can even hope to improve. Big move for their own to improve now but this is a huge overpay, they obviously have felt the pressure to improve now... Kinda feels like this might result in supermax being signed in the near future for them to go this big on draft picks, they must know something.
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Post by sutureself on Nov 17, 2020 1:43:44 GMT -5
Bucks also got Bogdan Bogdanovic in a sign-and-trade with the Kings, along with recent 2nd rounder Justin James, for Donte Divincenzo and Ersan Ilyasova. Smart move to upgrade their shooting.
Current projected starting lineup is Holiday, Bogdanovic, Middleton, Giannis and Lopez (unless they go with Bogdanovic as the 6th man, but I'm guessing this might be their closing lineup). Starting to get a little scary that every guy in that lineup is a legit threat from 3; no more leaving Bledsoe open and daring him to shoot. Holiday and Bogdanovic can also facilitate and handle the ball more too, makes the offence less predictable.
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Post by Springer on Nov 17, 2020 1:49:31 GMT -5
Something gotta fall apart forthe Bucks, it seems too good to be true.
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Post by scully19 on Nov 17, 2020 8:14:00 GMT -5
I don't think it's going to matter, Giannis will be on a supermax by then, he's going to sign now I bet just based on the effort and proof the team will go for it.
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Post by freewheel on Nov 17, 2020 13:27:32 GMT -5
Raps are in a pretty tough situation with the border issue. No free agents are going to sign with the Raps until they know where the team is going to play. Nobody wants to live out of hotel room for 6 months. I think the best strategy for this season is to do well with the draft, resign whoever you can and fill in spots with the Gleague players. Consistency and stability under the current chaotic circumstances will be an asset.
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Post by Springer on Nov 17, 2020 13:36:44 GMT -5
I don't think it's going to matter, Giannis will be on a supermax by then, he's going to sign now I bet just based on the effort and proof the team will go for it.
Will go for it this year but sacrificing the future. No guarantees that Holiday will still be there beyond one year.
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Post by scully19 on Nov 17, 2020 16:21:44 GMT -5
Holiday will be able to hold the team hostage if Giannis doesn't sign and basically just demand the max and probably get it. When you can afford to lose the guys they get over payed, just ask all of the LeBron teammates on the Cavs.
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Post by sandman on Nov 17, 2020 16:44:54 GMT -5
The Bucks just got much better.
Add in the crazy rumour that Harden wants to go Brooklyn...
Gonna be a tough, tough battle in the East.
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Post by sutureself on Nov 18, 2020 12:54:01 GMT -5
Current rumour is Caris LeVert, Dinwiddie, and Jarrett Allen plus picks for Harden. If that's even close to true, the bubble was probably the best thing that could've happened to Brooklyn, because they can point to LeVert and Allen's inflated numbers there and say see these guys were key pieces on a playoff team. The conversation around LeVert probably feels different after he was putting up 23, 7 and 5 in a featured role rather than as a streaky 13 point per game backup.
I know it's totally different GM and coach now in Houston. But it does strike me as kind of funny that they dealt away Clint Capela last season because they didn't want a traditional C, and now they might be dealing away their best player for a poor man's Clint Capela in Jarrett Allen. I guess they still managed to get decent assets by flipping Capela for Covington and then turning Covington into two 1sts.
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Post by scully19 on Nov 18, 2020 13:56:49 GMT -5
I agree, if I was Houston there is zero chance I'm looking at that package and agreeing. The picks will be garbage for the next 3 years minimum but probably longer, I imagine they are taking a pick every year they can but the reality then is they won't get a good pick for 4 years probably and then only a couple good ones available. All those guys from Brooklyn are just good role players. They can try to dump them for more assets but they won't amount to much. As for picks, they have owe next year to OKC (top 4 protected next year), they have 2022 and 2023 picks then lose 2024 and swap 2025 then lose 2026. If they tank extremely hard next year they could at least keep that pick. If they don't trade away Westbrook they might be too good to tank to bottom 4 without some lottery luck.
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Post by scully19 on Nov 18, 2020 19:54:59 GMT -5
Bogdan just cancelled the idea of a sign and trade. No longer going to the Bucks.
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Post by Springer on Nov 18, 2020 21:08:00 GMT -5
Rubio is getting bounced around
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Post by freewheel on Nov 18, 2020 21:18:09 GMT -5
The draft isn't quite the event it used to be. Trades are so complicated that I don't think its even possible to announce anything during the draft. I can't even tell if any of these picks are going to be any good. There's barely any video and there won't be a summer league for then to test themselves. What a crap shoot.
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Post by Springer on Nov 18, 2020 22:59:53 GMT -5
So everybody and their mother gives the Raps a good grade for drafting Flynn. Cn't say much because i've neverheard of him (nor of 98%of the other players in this draft).
But in Masai we trust!!!
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