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Post by haisan on Nov 1, 2023 20:52:15 GMT -5
New season, new thread.
And to start things off ... the Celtics just dropped 155 points on the Pacers. Now Boston is averaging over 132 points per game and are looking pretty damn scary. ... Which, of course, makes me sad.
Happy, though, to see the Heat stinking.
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Post by scully19 on Nov 1, 2023 21:19:39 GMT -5
Celtics are by far favorites this year in the East. They might win the conference by 10 games the way they and the bucks look right now.
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Post by scully19 on Nov 1, 2023 21:24:42 GMT -5
Ok another note, grizzlies look terrible. Turns out when your main pg is out, don't all of a sudden decide you need to move the guard that carried you during Jas previously missed games, you know, because that's exactly what is happening for 25 games minimum. Then trade your best defender out as well. Then hope 1 guy can replace them both and they 1 guy had been looking washed last year. Their season might be done before he even returns
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Post by haisan on Nov 1, 2023 22:04:48 GMT -5
Ok another note, grizzlies look terrible. Turns out when your main pg is out, don't all of a sudden decide you need to move the guard that carried you during Jas previously missed games, you know, because that's exactly what is happening for 25 games minimum. Then trade your best defender out as well. Then hope 1 guy can replace them both and they 1 guy had been looking washed last year. Their season might be done before he even returns Pa-nic trade! Pa-nic trade! |
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Post by haisan on Nov 2, 2023 17:15:32 GMT -5
I love this ESPN bio of Jokic as a young man. Just a fascinating dude. www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38796077/beethoven-how-nikola-jokic-became-best-passer-nba-historyAt one point, an old coach compares him to Beethoven and it made me think … What would have happened to someone like Jokic before professional sports? Or Beethoven before the piano? Kind of amazing to think about all these special people the human race has produced but who never had the chance to find and develop their special skill. |
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Post by sandman on Nov 6, 2023 22:11:58 GMT -5
Indy just put up 150+ points.
Philly 146.
What is defence?
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Post by haisan on Nov 12, 2023 16:55:06 GMT -5
Really enjoying the fall of the Clippers. A mediocre team turned into a disaster thanks to one James Harden.
It’s going to be really weird, though in 2-3 years when all these “all in” teams start to fall apart but don’t have any draft picks to rebuild. There are going to be some seriously weird knock-on effects.
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Post by scully19 on Nov 12, 2023 17:28:06 GMT -5
Really enjoying the fall of the Clippers. A mediocre team turned into a disaster thanks to one James Harden. It’s going to be really weird, though in 2-3 years when all these “all in” teams start to fall apart but don’t have any draft picks to rebuild. There are going to be some seriously weird knock-on effects. ya absolutely, I think the cost to get stars went out of control high and will bounce down as people witness the Clippers burn for years with little hope. I'm waiting for Kawhi to get traded back to Toronto next year. |
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Post by haisan on Nov 13, 2023 9:31:28 GMT -5
Houston Rockets on a 6-game winning streak, including last night's win against the Nuggets. It's starting to look like FVV jumping ship was a win-win for us and him and the Rockets.
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Post by scully19 on Nov 13, 2023 11:00:52 GMT -5
Houston Rockets on a 6-game winning streak, including last night's win against the Nuggets. It's starting to look like FVV jumping ship was a win-win for us and him and the Rockets. agreed but right now it seems like their biggest win was actually Brooks, who is bringing top level defence and top level 3pt shooting. His contract went from a joke to a steal currently. |
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Post by haisan on Nov 13, 2023 11:16:00 GMT -5
Houston Rockets on a 6-game winning streak, including last night's win against the Nuggets. It's starting to look like FVV jumping ship was a win-win for us and him and the Rockets. agreed but right now it seems like their biggest win was actually Brooks, who is bringing top level defence and top level 3pt shooting. His contract went from a joke to a steal currently. Quite possible the weirded advanced stats I've ever seen. Who takes a leap like that in their seventh season? 3pt shooting way up, but usage at the lowest level of his career. All very strange. I can only assume it's a statistical fluke and will revert over the course of the season. |
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Post by scully19 on Nov 13, 2023 11:17:59 GMT -5
agreed but right now it seems like their biggest win was actually Brooks, who is bringing top level defence and top level 3pt shooting. His contract went from a joke to a steal currently. Quite possible the weirded advanced stats I've ever seen. Who takes a leap like that in their seventh season? 3pt shooting way up, but usage at the lowest level of his career. All very strange. I can only assume it's a statistical fluke and will revert over the course of the season. actually it might be the Raptors fault, Brooks was practicing at OVO for team Canada and they have shot tracking, in which he was told his arc was too flat. He changed it and proceeded to kick ass in the worlds and carry it over to here. Might be legit since it involved a change to shooting. Other side of it is I heard that Memphis was badly managed so his chucking was because the offense ran poorly, where now he is shooting better shots where he is more open. Edit: I mean that he might be a good shooter being legit, not the ridiculous numbers he's posting. |
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Post by scully19 on Nov 15, 2023 13:36:01 GMT -5
Sounds like Bulls are ready to move on from Lavine at this point, which could let the dominoes fall to the rest of the tear down. I imagine thy start with people who have the least value but still positive before they officially are in tear down and the cost goes down. Start with Lavine and get what you can from DeRozan next and Caruso will have a bidding war regardless, cheap quality player that can go on any team.
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Post by sandman on Nov 23, 2023 19:17:22 GMT -5
Anyone see Coach Pops crazy stunt last night?
Takes arena mic, tells crowd to stop boo'ing Kawhi because we're not about that. Post-game says he didn't want to play with fire..
Iunno Pops, starting to think you might have to call it a career soon. Spurs are not doing so good either with Wemby there.
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Post by zugzwang on Nov 24, 2023 12:13:39 GMT -5
Fans bought the ticket, they can do what they want. Fair nuff.
But I'm with Pops:
It ain't classy.
It's a mistake to poke the bear.
And the future is Wemby, don't insult him by showing you're still obsessed with an old girlfriend.
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Post by haisan on Nov 30, 2023 22:22:31 GMT -5
Here's a weird stat I've never seen before ... the four worst teams in the NBA all have worse home records than away records:
Spurs - home 1-8 - away 2-6
Grizzlies - home 1-8 - away 3-5
Wizards - home 1-6 - 2-9
Pistons - home 1-8 - away 1-8 (okay, these are the same)
That's also true for Portland, Golden State, the Hornets and the Hawks. Nearly all the worst teams in the NBA. I don't recall anything like that before.
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Post by haisan on Dec 9, 2023 6:52:28 GMT -5
As seen somewhere on Twitter…:
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Post by sandman on Dec 9, 2023 10:34:14 GMT -5
Watching Detroit have a few high draft picks and still suck really makes me question tanking sometimes.
Same with the Spurs.
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Post by zugzwang on Dec 9, 2023 13:23:39 GMT -5
Totally.
A lot of folks on the internet act like tanking is a sure thing instead of high risk. The Sixers had to tank for seven years, SEVEN, before they finally got it to click. And they still might not see an Eastern conference finals.
Then, once you finally have your successful draft picks selected and in-hand, you need to magically re-ignite a winning culture after years of players learning how to lose and hope their psychology hasn't been permanently broken.
The counter to my argument though is Masai has proven himself pretty godly at picking in the draft. If anyone can do it, it just might be him, so why isn't he?
Though oddly I've noticed many of the people who want to tank also simultaneously want to fire Masai. They just assume our next GM will be superior. Which is possible, but man, that's a risk. Ready to go back to Colangelo? Babcock? Maybe it's time to take on risk as admittedly not much else is working right now, but man. Could be dark days ahead.
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Post by Pseudonym on Dec 9, 2023 13:45:32 GMT -5
Tanking is a chicken and egg thing. Is the team bad because that is just the end of its life cycle or, is it bad management? The bad management will affect the player's development (or lack thereof). If Wiggins were somehow drafted by GSW instead of the Wolves, he'd likely have become a radically better player. Same for Darko and the Pistons. Maybe if Zion were drafted to a different team, he'd have his wright issues under control.
Even now, Scottie's passivity likely wouldn't be so problematic if you know, he was able to kick out out to shooters and didn't have a highly similar player operating in the same spots.
Siakam also might be washed out of the league if he lands on any other team than Toronto. Same thing with so many Heat and Spurs players.
Last year, as we all know, we were worse than PDX while,running insane playoff rotation, drawing blood from a stone. My own personal maturity process was seeing the complete lack of high-end upside there...so tank. Man, at least trade for an actual stretch 5 with this roster!
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Post by haisan on Dec 9, 2023 19:14:52 GMT -5
My counter to tanking is looking at all the great players who came deep in the draft (or deep in the lottery) vs all the high picks who don’t amount to much. Golden State and the 2003 Pistons might have screwed up the No. 2 pick their chance to extend their dynasties, but both teams also lucked out in getting great talent outside of the draft’s top-3.
Are some teams genuinely better at identifying and developing talent, or is it mostly luck? Or, you know, is it a lot easier to develop potential when you’re playing next to Tim Duncan?
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Post by scully19 on Dec 9, 2023 22:16:35 GMT -5
Man, at least trade for an actual stretch 5 with this roster! THIS! I still don't understand the thought process of going after Poeltl on a team that can't shoot 3s. Ok you can pick and roll a bit but like the fit is terrible, this team's main players need space to operate. |
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Post by scully19 on Dec 13, 2023 20:50:39 GMT -5
Draymond does more stupid stuff where he fake falls but clearly is doing it just to take a cheap shot at someone for no reason. NBA has suspended him indefinitely right now. Clearly his last suspension in which he got a longer one because of repeated offenses like 1 month ago taught him nothing. I really hope this one is over 10 games.
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Post by sandman on Dec 13, 2023 22:14:34 GMT -5
He's becoming more and more unhinged. He might need some sports counselling or therapy in general.
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Post by haisan on Dec 14, 2023 1:18:08 GMT -5
Poor Giannis ...
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Post by haisan on Dec 20, 2023 22:27:34 GMT -5
Embiid just went off for 51 points versus the Timberwolves ... a team with two quality big men. He's scoring 35 points a game! 0.316 WS/48 (the only player over 0.300). Currently sporting a PER of 34.4, the highest EVER. Damn. Just damn...
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Post by scully19 on Dec 21, 2023 21:28:08 GMT -5
Detroit lost again to the Jazz who were missing 8 guys total including 3 key guys for an already shitty team on a back to back. Really feels like Detroit vs Toronto for the all time losing record is coming. I'm very nervous for that game.
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Post by haisan on Dec 22, 2023 0:09:26 GMT -5
Detroit lost again to the Jazz who were missing 8 guys total including 3 key guys for an already shitty team on a back to back. Really feels like Detroit vs Toronto for the all time losing record is coming. I'm very nervous for that game. Maybe we can hang a banner, if we give up that loss. Maybe put it beside the Kobe-81 banner (that hangs in my mind). |
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Post by sandman on Dec 22, 2023 18:35:27 GMT -5
I just peaked at Cade's advanced stats and he's got some ugly metrics on there...
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Post by haisan on Jan 8, 2024 22:03:52 GMT -5
Looks like the Grizzlies' season is really over now. There will be no bounceback.
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