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Post by freewheel on Jan 8, 2024 22:59:34 GMT -5
No top 6 pick for us. We're not bad enough compared to the real stinkers this season.
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Post by scully19 on Jan 9, 2024 8:52:59 GMT -5
Tyrese Haliburton sounds like he might have been seriously injured, at the very least he's going to miss a few weeks. Not good to see ever but this will impact the Raptors in multiple ways. This could introduce another team to the bottom race and bring 8th into play. Also if he's missing a long stretch they might be out on any Siakam trade now.
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Post by scully19 on Jan 9, 2024 11:58:16 GMT -5
NBA all Star voting continues to be an absolute annoyance. Seriously how hard is it to have your login save your votes and you can just go on and hit send. Why am I picking 10 people every time when you know they are going to be the same ones for 99 percent of people. This should have existed 10 years ago and it bothers me every year that I only ever vote for like 3 people and don't do it that often.
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Post by Pseudonym on Jan 19, 2024 13:36:51 GMT -5
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Post by haisan on Jan 21, 2024 22:56:40 GMT -5
Pascal's Pacers are now 0-2 since the trade.
Kind of interesting, watching how the post-trade Knicks and Pacers compare. It's early, but I'm getting a sense for why there was so much trade value in OG and so little in Siakam...
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Post by scully19 on Jan 22, 2024 8:53:43 GMT -5
Well to be fair, OG is about as plug and play as can be. Defense, put him on the best player wherever they play and let him do his thing. On offense, stand at the 3 point line and hit open 3s.
Siakam coming into a successful team with a heavy ball dominant guard is going to take time to adjust and find his spots while others find him too. Darko, when playing Bruce Brown for the first time, said he dumbed down the playbook for now since they didn't know anything and this was for someone who played 15min. Siakam is expected to carry a heavy load on offense and heavy minutes. It reminds me even of the Raptors at the start of the year. Barnes and Schroder took ball handling duties and it took time to get Siakam going. I still fully believe in that dude and in the Pacers fit. I just hope it doesn't take too long to acclimate. I really really want the best for Siakam and hope he can prove his value and get a full max contract since that seemed to be a sticking point in why he got traded there.
Side note - If it doesn't work out there and he's willing to sign for less it would be awesome to just take him back at a better price, win win for us, we get a better price for a Raptors legend, he probably hurt the Pacers so our draft pick this year is slightly better, and we get a better pick in 2026 since their team is presumably weaker long term.
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Post by freewheel on Jan 22, 2024 9:51:23 GMT -5
He'll fit and certainly resign there. The Pacers cant let him go because they have trouble getting top FAs to sign there just like we do. However, the Pacers trouble this year is their terrible defense and if you watched Siakam closely this season you know that his defensive effort dropped dramatically. He's not going to solve their issues on that end.
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Post by scully19 on Jan 22, 2024 9:56:23 GMT -5
It's true, but if he's doing effort on offense he could up it on defense. There's certainly been examples already of him jumping between a bunch of players and doing a good job on that end so he's definitely above average on a team of below average guys.
And while the Pacers can't let him go, do you think that means they would give him full max no matter what? Working on the idea he didn't work out well there maybe they try to play hardball a bit, or he just wants out and to come back to his home because he doesn't like it there and so takes a pay cut to be happier. I really doubt this happening but I would love it.
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Post by sutureself on Jan 22, 2024 15:37:08 GMT -5
Maybe he'd try to use Raptors as leverage but I can't imagine him coming back here right away in FA. Pacers are a better team than us right now. He probably sees himself as a potential franchise player, borderline All-NBA; he probably wants to show he can step up and be the guy with Haliburton rather than immediately come back and be a complimentary piece on the non-contending team that just threw him away.
Our cap-space going into next season is a bit wonky where we'd have to renounce bird rights to a bunch of guys to clear space for a max or near-max contract as well.
Barret: 25.7m Brown: 23m (club option). If he's still here in the offseason we probably cut him loose to save $$$ but also possible we just keep him to trade him for an asset next season Poeltl: 19.5m Trent Jr.: 27.84m Bird cap hold. If we renounce his cap hold he can sign anywhere and we can't go over cap to sign him. Hard to say if they just let him walk or if they do the cap hold and then sign him to much more team-friendly deal. Schroder: 13m Quickley: 12.5m RFA cap hold, will have to sign him for more than that obviously Boucher: 10.8m Barnes: 10.1m Dick: 4.7m McDaniels: 4.7m
Whoever we draft would be signed or have cap hold in effect before free agency starts as well; if we keep our high lottery pick + 2 late firsts and an early second that's probably at least 13m+, or if we lose the pick to San Antonio and have two late firsts and an early second would be 6-7m.
Bunch of other guys like Young, Porter Jr., Kira Lewis, Nwora all have cap holds that we almost definitely will renounce I assume. A few younger guys like Jontay Porter are RFAs on cheap two-way contracts I'm not currenty counting because probably will be cheap.
Sportrac projects salary cap next season to be 142m. If we cut loose Bruce Brown and Trent and renounced all cap holds except Quickley, we'd be looking at maybe 30m under the cap, decent amount but not enough to make a max 'offer you can't refuse' to lure a marquee guy to a bad team. More likely we just keep some of those cap holds to go slightly above the cap and below the luxury tax.
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Post by sandman on Jan 22, 2024 21:39:53 GMT -5
So, uh, Embiid with 70 points tonight.
Never thought he'd reach such a massive achievement.
He seems to have really grown as a player the last 2 seasons.
Still think he's a choker and cry baby but big props for 70.
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Post by Pseudonym on Jan 23, 2024 9:20:44 GMT -5
Seems like NN definitely unlocked Embiid. His mid-range game is Legitimately like a layup now, which is an terrible sign for opposing teams in the playoffs
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Post by scully19 on Jan 23, 2024 10:30:52 GMT -5
Hope they buy him out and he comes home.
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Post by freewheel on Jan 23, 2024 12:50:57 GMT -5
Man the Hornets didn't get squat for a guy averaging 23 and 7? Still under contact for a few more seasons too. I'd have traded Brown or Trent and a crappy 1st for Rozier.
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Post by sutureself on Jan 23, 2024 14:48:05 GMT -5
Wow, Adrian Griffin fired in Milwaukee after only half a season. Team is 30-13, 2nd place in the Eastern Conference. Even if there's some sort of personality conflict between Griffin and Giannis, Giannis is under contract for next four seasons so it's not like they absolutely need to do a knee jerk reaction right away to placate him, you'd think they would try to ride it out for the rest of the season at least. I don't mean to speculate but makes me wonder if something more serious happened behind the scenes.
Woj reporting now they might hire Doc Rivers, which is insane to me; one of the most overrated head coaches of all time
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Post by sandman on Jan 23, 2024 21:28:22 GMT -5
Seems like Giannia has too much influence over these decisions.
Feels like he's starting to get desperate and turning into a Lebron-lite in terms of wanting coaches and a "triplet" of guys to play with.
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Post by Pseudonym on Jan 23, 2024 22:00:52 GMT -5
To fire Coach Bud because of playoff fraudulence, and then fire Adrian Griffin because of pressure to win a title and underlying issues in spite of their record midway through the season, to THEN (probably) hire Doc friggin Rivers is actually hilarious. I feel bad for Bucks fans if they actually do it - they could have had Nick Nurse, but will end up with the biggest fraud of them all.
I'm happy RDC skits will inevitably be back though.
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Post by scully19 on Jan 24, 2024 9:22:41 GMT -5
They should honestly just hire back Bud. The whole team wants to play the exact way he was coaching them anyways, it just makes sense.
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Post by Pseudonym on Jan 24, 2024 13:39:07 GMT -5
They actually did it lmao.
I need Sixers-Bucks & Knicks-Pacers in the playoffs
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Post by scully19 on Jan 24, 2024 15:17:52 GMT -5
I love the headline being "they targeted for the past 24 hours" like 24 hours is a long time. It also makes it sound like they fired Griffin and then tried to think about who to replace him with instead of before like anyone should do.
The Bucks are currently paying 3 coaches, 2 of which will be a lot of money. Reportedly they had to overpay Doc to get him to come on such short notice with him having all the leverage.
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Post by scully19 on Jan 24, 2024 19:17:58 GMT -5
Just really seemed from the word go he showed he's unoriginal and not a great thinker. Doing the Raptors defense scheme just made no sense for this team at and just happened because he just came from it and knew it. Griffin has been ripped apart right now everywhere. Sucks that he's basically never getting the coaching job ever again but he does have a nice amount of money coming in to do nothing for the next 3 years or so.
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Post by sandman on Jan 24, 2024 21:47:45 GMT -5
He was quite hyped up as an up and comer too a few seasons ago.
Seems like he'll be working the assistant's role (if he gets it) for awhile now.
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Post by haisan on Jan 25, 2024 20:46:48 GMT -5
Looks like Pascal is finally going to get his first win as a Pacer ... pretty decisively, too, versus Philly in the battle of the Cameroonians.
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Post by sandman on Jan 29, 2024 22:15:06 GMT -5
And Joel Embiid is getting RIPPED apart for sitting out a game against Jokic minutes before tip-off.
Scared? Injured? Who knows.
I'm not an Embiid fan at all so I find this all funny.
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Post by scully19 on Jan 30, 2024 9:34:38 GMT -5
Not only getting ripped but he may face a fine because there was zero indication he might sit and nothing happened to make him sit like getting injured in warmup. He needs to be at least probable or something on the injury report to randomly sit.
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Post by sutureself on Jan 30, 2024 16:14:33 GMT -5
Will be funny if Embiid tears it up in the playoffs and Sixers go on a title run. Nurse in TO with Kawhi was Mr. Load Management, and seems totally onboard with Embiid skipping a ton of games too. Can he 'nurse' Embiid all the way to the top?
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Post by haisan on Jan 30, 2024 20:26:11 GMT -5
Will be funny if Embiid tears it up in the playoffs and Sixers go on a title run. Nurse in TO with Kawhi was Mr. Load Management, and seems totally onboard with Embiid skipping a ton of games too. Can he 'nurse' Embiid all the way to the top? The better Nurse does in Philly the more I wonder what the hell happened in Toronto.
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Post by scully19 on Jan 30, 2024 21:30:01 GMT -5
I don't wonder, it seems pretty clear this year that he was hammering the starters because they had no quality depth. I think we lost a top coach because of over confidence in that depth. When he was resigned I was hoping he would be the next Spo for us, that drifted away his just year because I thought he was failing development but it sure seems like there was either too much development needed or guys not good enough ever.
I really like Darko at least too.
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Post by freewheel on Jan 30, 2024 22:32:31 GMT -5
I still think Nurse tuned out the last 20 games of that season. It was a bad look for him. Plenty of blame on his plate IMO.
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Post by haisan on Jan 31, 2024 2:03:02 GMT -5
I don't know ... the vibes seemed pretty bad for most of the last couple of years. At least that's how I remember things.
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Post by scully19 on Jan 31, 2024 8:35:48 GMT -5
Vibes were bad but they were a losing team whose mindset coming into the season was to at least win a series. Expectations were far higher than results and that would bum anyone out.
Although there was reports recently with Adrian Griffin getting fired that the reason Giannis picked Griff and not Nurse was because of a convo with Siakam and OG. That's not a good sign.
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