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Post by freewheel on Feb 9, 2023 12:31:17 GMT -5
I'm underwhelmed about the Poeltl deal as well. The best thing I can say is that the Raps didn't give up much if they finish the year strong.
On the bad side we now have ANOTHER front court player to fit into the rotation. Before I was ambivalent about the raps dealing one of their forwards at the deadline, maybe it could wait until summer. Now I think it is imperative that they deal someone in the next few hours. What is the point of burying some of our forwards in this lost season? Deal them and get something back for the future.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 9, 2023 12:37:01 GMT -5
If we're hoping to pull a Celtics and suddenly turn our team around, I think Poeltl is a good start. Those longbois with a real center behind them is pretty interesting. Trade OG and Trent (or some combo) for a really good SG to pair with Pascal, and we could be really interesting. But so much depends on what OG and whatever can get. I agree that packaging OG and Trent for an upgrade at the 2 is the ideal scenario, but I struggle to think of a 2 who matches Trent and OG in value and could possibly be available. Either way, I feel like another move is definitely required following the Poeltl trade, since it is hard to imagine OG coming off of the bench for the rest of the season. how do you feel about anfernee Simmons? He's been rumored option from Portland who have shown interest in OG. |
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Post by scully19 on Feb 9, 2023 12:55:01 GMT -5
I heard mention on done podcast to keep an eye on the Warriors in the pursuit of OG, apparently they are making a last ditch effort right now. Kuminga and Wiseman work out money wise...
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Post by freewheel on Feb 9, 2023 13:15:40 GMT -5
I heard mention on done podcast to keep an eye on the Warriors in the pursuit of OG, apparently they are making a last ditch effort right now. Kuminga and Wiseman work out money wise... Are either of them guards? I hate that the raptors don't seem to realize that the current iteration of the NBA is skewed tremendously towards guard play. Why trade for players that don't move the needle now or in the future? The Raps could add an all star forward at this point and it wouldn't make a difference on this team.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 9, 2023 13:33:38 GMT -5
I heard mention on done podcast to keep an eye on the Warriors in the pursuit of OG, apparently they are making a last ditch effort right now. Kuminga and Wiseman work out money wise... Are either of them guards? I hate that the raptors don't seem to realize that the current iteration of the NBA is skewed tremendously towards guard play. Why trade for players that don't move the needle now or in the future? The Raps could add an all star forward at this point and it wouldn't make a difference on this team.
I'm on the tank and redesign the team in the off season type, so no guards for the rest of this season works just fine for me. I wouldn't mind taking a buy low shot at Wiseman and getting a high upside guy like Kuminga that can come in off the bench, i guess with Precious now and Boucher, so we at least have a rotation of sorts there. So to me, get some good assets and see where you fall in the draft spots. At that point you might have a couple players you have interest in building around and you need to redesign anyways. If you get Scoot you have a PG and trading for a specific player to fill all the holes this year would have been a mistake. I'm pretty confident at this point though that the Raptors are going to end up being the 8th seed by years end and this year be a waste. |
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Post by blueyoda on Feb 9, 2023 14:00:54 GMT -5
Other than not going for the tank, I'm not really upset about the Poeltl deal. They also got rid of Khem's salary - so they can sign two of GVV, Trent or Poetlt in the offseason. Likely someone like FVV becomes a sign and trade - say with Orlando and we get a Cole Anthony in return. I can see them flipping Malachi for a future second round in the offseason too.
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Post by kap on Feb 9, 2023 14:33:42 GMT -5
I agree that packaging OG and Trent for an upgrade at the 2 is the ideal scenario, but I struggle to think of a 2 who matches Trent and OG in value and could possibly be available. Either way, I feel like another move is definitely required following the Poeltl trade, since it is hard to imagine OG coming off of the bench for the rest of the season. how do you feel about anfernee Simmons? He's been rumored option from Portland who have shown interest in OG. A great prospect, and better than Gary, but probably not more valuable than Gary and OG combined. I think I'd rather re-sign Gary and see what I can get for OG individually. |
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Post by scully19 on Feb 9, 2023 15:39:34 GMT -5
So, we got nothing else?
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Post by scully19 on Feb 9, 2023 16:08:57 GMT -5
News trickling in, sounds like Clippers wanted Fred and Raptors wanted Terrence Mann but were refused. Warriors wanted OG, Raptors wanted Kuminga plus picks and others (i think salary filler) and were refused.
Sounds like they asked a lot and then got nothing...I look forward to the play-in I guess.
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Post by Pseudonym on Feb 9, 2023 16:40:59 GMT -5
From play-in for what to welcome to the play-in.
Not a fan of this deadline, the first whisperings of "Are Masai and Bobby washed" crept into my ear. Apparently that FRP was also only top 6 protected, so a fair bit of risk....prior to the trade the team was at 6/7 worst record.
They will act like there's no pressure, but there's a ton. 3 of your starters are due for huge pay bumps and prior to this trade they were already brushing up against the luxury tax. There is objectively A TON of work and things that need to not go south this off-season.
What Poetl brings is desperately needed, but even mid-season, I wouldn't dare call it a wrap after that. St8 No Man's Land right now.
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Post by freewheel on Feb 9, 2023 16:41:39 GMT -5
I'm bummed because I don't think the team is any better than they were before the deadline, but I also don't think they should trade any of those guys for garbage either. Regardless this roster is a mess IMO. I am afraid they will keep losing talent for nothing in free agency while being unable to sign anyone to replace them. That has to stop this summer.
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Post by haisan on Feb 9, 2023 17:33:42 GMT -5
You know, I am more than a little curious how this little deal is going to change things. I think the knock-along effects will be surprisingly large. We now have four spots for our best five guys and a real center, so it's going to be really hard for Nurse to play anyone 40 minutes anymore. With Poeltl and some combination of Achiuwa and Koloko at center, we have a pretty big logjam of players in the 3-4 spots. Guard is still an issue, but even if Nurse makes Pascal or Scottie play some guard, they're still not getting to 40 minutes.
There are 26 games left in the season. Going 15-11 will bring us to 0.500. Probably 7th, I'm guessing, with a shot at 6th, if anyone in the East poops the bed. Who knows? This could turn out to be a decent season, when all is said and done. Not contending, but in a more interesting place, with room for deals in the summer.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 9, 2023 17:46:26 GMT -5
From play-in for what to welcome to the play-in. Not a fan of this deadline, the first whisperings of "Are Masai and Bobby washed" crept into my ear. Apparently that FRP was also only top 6 protected, so a fair bit of risk....prior to the trade the team was at 6/7 worst record. They will act like there's no pressure, but there's a ton. 3 of your starters are due for huge pay bumps and prior to this trade they were already brushing up against the luxury tax. There is objectively A TON of work and things that need to not go south this off-season. What Poetl brings is desperately needed, but even mid-season, I wouldn't dare call it a wrap after that. St8 No Man's Land right now. They went out and got another guy that needs more money than they have. They just added to the bill this deadline that they will for sure not pay. Now it is more likely that they end up losing 1 or more for nothing. |
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Post by scully19 on Feb 9, 2023 17:47:52 GMT -5
You know, I am more than a little curious how this little deal is going to change things. I think the knock-along effects will be surprisingly large. We now have four spots for our best five guys and a real center, so it's going to be really hard for Nurse to play anyone 40 minutes anymore. With Poeltl and some combination of Achiuwa and Koloko at center, we have a pretty big logjam of players in the 3-4 spots. Guard is still an issue, but even if Nurse makes Pascal or Scottie play some guard, they're still not getting to 40 minutes. There are 26 games left in the season. Going 15-11 will bring us to 0.500. Probably 7th, I'm guessing, with a shot at 6th, if anyone in the East poops the bed. Who knows? This could turn out to be a decent season, when all is said and done. Not contending, but in a more interesting place, with room for deals in the summer. not sure if you counted Nets dropping out of the top spots. This team is going to be in 8th in about 2 or 3 games at this point now with the upcoming weak competition. If they play the Knicks for play in that seems like a guaranteed win based on the rest of the season. Anyone think they can go 21 and 5 so I can win my over bet for the season? That would be nice of them. |
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Post by Pseudonym on Feb 9, 2023 17:58:17 GMT -5
You know, I am more than a little curious how this little deal is going to change things. I think the knock-along effects will be surprisingly large. We now have four spots for our best five guys and a real center, so it's going to be really hard for Nurse to play anyone 40 minutes anymore. With Poeltl and some combination of Achiuwa and Koloko at center, we have a pretty big logjam of players in the 3-4 spots. Guard is still an issue, but even if Nurse makes Pascal or Scottie play some guard, they're still not getting to 40 minutes. There are 26 games left in the season. Going 15-11 will bring us to 0.500. Probably 7th, I'm guessing, with a shot at 6th, if anyone in the East poops the bed. Who knows? This could turn out to be a decent season, when all is said and done. Not contending, but in a more interesting place, with room for deals in the summer. it can be massive because what Poeltl brings is DESPERATELY needed, like a butterfly flapping it's wings. -Flynn can look useful with a true C to run ball screen action with -another reliable player will lower the insane minutes and load of the other players -Yak should have the same effect Koloko has on the defense, sans absurd foul trouble and a legit threat to finish at the rim -Defense should feed into the offense again -hopefully no more Thad Young at the 5... -dumping Birch is low-key a big thing; Yak is also a big upgrade of course as well, to say the least Etc, etc. The trade itself is actually close to a post I made. Flynn instead of the picks. But I find it hard to believe that they didn't get a good offer for FVV, GTJ and especially OG. Like really, really hard. |
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Post by freewheel on Feb 9, 2023 19:53:44 GMT -5
I have to say that Ujiri does look a little sheepish at the press conference today. Like perhaps he did expect to make a big wave today but it somehow fell apart.
Unfortunate really.
It makes me feel a little bit better that perhaps Ujiri does realize something isn't right with this roster.
Pushing the job off until summer isn't the best solution though and I think he knows it. It just gets bigger.
At least we know they will be trying to win every game for the rest of the season. There's no value in losing.
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Post by haisan on Feb 9, 2023 20:23:33 GMT -5
You know, I am more than a little curious how this little deal is going to change things. I think the knock-along effects will be surprisingly large. We now have four spots for our best five guys and a real center, so it's going to be really hard for Nurse to play anyone 40 minutes anymore. With Poeltl and some combination of Achiuwa and Koloko at center, we have a pretty big logjam of players in the 3-4 spots. Guard is still an issue, but even if Nurse makes Pascal or Scottie play some guard, they're still not getting to 40 minutes. There are 26 games left in the season. Going 15-11 will bring us to 0.500. Probably 7th, I'm guessing, with a shot at 6th, if anyone in the East poops the bed. Who knows? This could turn out to be a decent season, when all is said and done. Not contending, but in a more interesting place, with room for deals in the summer. it can be massive because what Poeltl brings is DESPERATELY needed, like a butterfly flapping it's wings. -Flynn can look useful with a true C to run ball screen action with -another reliable player will lower the insane minutes and load of the other players -Yak should have the same effect Koloko has on the defense, sans absurd foul trouble and a legit threat to finish at the rim -Defense should feed into the offense again -hopefully no more Thad Young at the 5... -dumping Birch is low-key a big thing; Yak is also a big upgrade of course as well, to say the least Etc, etc. The trade itself is actually close to a post I made. Flynn instead of the picks. But I find it hard to believe that they didn't get a good offer for FVV, GTJ and especially OG. Like really, really hard. Yep, that's exactly how I feel. There's the potential here for everyone's minutes to go down, for players to be able to play more naturally, etc. And if they can make it to the play-in game with some momentum ... who knows? Anything can happen. I'd also point out that the Raptors have a pretty easy remaining schedule (19th hardest). Unlike the Knicks, who have the 4th-hardest or Brooklyn with the 5th-hardest. Philly has the hardest and the Bucks have the 7th-hardest, so there's a lot of room for the top teams to move around before the end of the year (except for Boston, which also has an easy schedule). www.tankathon.com/remaining_schedule_strength |
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Post by haisan on Feb 9, 2023 20:26:24 GMT -5
I have to say that Ujiri does look a little sheepish at the press conference today. Like perhaps he did expect to make a big wave today but it somehow fell apart. Unfortunate really. It makes me feel a little bit better that perhaps Ujiri does realize something isn't right with this roster. Pushing the job off until summer isn't the best solution though and I think he knows it. It just gets bigger. At least we know they will be trying to win every game for the rest of the season. There's no value in losing. Yeah, it must be hard, especially when you've gotten your players prepared for a big change, and then nothing much happens. But finish the year strong and go for a guard upgrade in the summer. I don't understand why so many fans obsess about salaries and money things. If the FO likes what it sees, it make make a deal happen (even a sign-and-trade or whatever). Letting a mediocre player walk isn't the worst thing in the world. |
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Post by fenris77 on Feb 16, 2023 0:12:19 GMT -5
There we go! We got Poeltl! And we gave up ... nearly nothing. Not bad. Some people are quite upset about the picks. I'm not one of those people. I'm very happy to have Yak back. |
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