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Post by scully19 on Feb 11, 2022 14:44:16 GMT -5
They do spend less than Dragic was owed and are now safely under the luxury cap which is part of what they needed to do here was take back less. How much under? Maybe that means they could be a player in the buy-out market for a guard later in the season?
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Post by haisan on Jan 17, 2023 23:48:39 GMT -5
Another year, another trade deadline... This one with some potential to be interesting, though. FVV, Trent Jr., and OG all being talked about, it seems ... But I could imagine anyone on the roster being available for the right price.
Anyhow, according the ESPN Trade Machine, FVV, Trent and Boucher for Chris Paul and Ayton would work under the salary cap... Especially if the Suns really don't want to keep paying Paul and if Ayton still isn't happy.
Ayton isn't a great center, but he's loads better than anything Toronto has. Chris Paul may be a shell of his former self and very injury prone, but I'd be interested in seeing what he could do with our core-3. Our spacing would still be horrible, but it would shake things up, maybe set us up for something more interesting next season.
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Post by Money_Ball on Jan 21, 2023 13:28:21 GMT -5
I predict a seller's market this deadline. I might settle for multiple picks for FVV/ Trent Jr. I don't think the NOP is in a hurry to compete now but if they were I a like a few of their young players quite a bit. I might even consider trading OG if the price is right.
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Post by Pseudonym on Jan 21, 2023 23:19:35 GMT -5
Toronto can probably drop into the 4th worst record if they tear it down even a little bit. Probably will happen either way - this is non sustainable AT ALL. Scottie apparently played the entire second half....on the first half of a back-to-back?! This team is so clearly less than the sum of its parts that it makes me paranoid about a Rudy Gay trade effect, flushing any chance of Wemby and Scoot down the drain.
But then you remember that the starters are playing a billion minutes a night. However fugazi the stats and tea leaves are, they are inflated!
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Post by freewheel on Jan 22, 2023 18:41:38 GMT -5
Trent or Vanvleet could possibly be dealt, but it's not the trade that will make a difference either way. It is the Anunoby or Siakam trade that will determine the future and I don't think that trade will happen until the summer.
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Post by sandman on Jan 22, 2023 22:28:14 GMT -5
I'm all for dealing FVV and Trent.
Grab a good pick, go with Spicy P, Barnes and OG into the new season plus whatever offseason addition you can get.
What's clear is NN relies WAY too heavily on the starters. Its been a problem for a few seasons now. These guys consistently are playing 36+ mins/game. Often I see 40 mpg or more.
It's not sustainable. I don't know if he doesn't trust the bench. Our bench ain't great but he needs to work in a better way of getting them involved.
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Post by haisan on Jan 23, 2023 8:10:49 GMT -5
Yeah, to be honest, I'm more than a little surprised Ujiri lets Nurse play his starters so much. He's got to be aware that this is a sure-fire path to injuries ... not to mention it's screwing over the bench and undermining their value. Sure, in a pinch, but this has been going on for a long time now. Smh.
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Post by freewheel on Jan 23, 2023 18:30:18 GMT -5
Not thrilled about the Trent for Poeltl rumors. Yes the Raps need a centre badly but they need guards who can shoot even more. Why can't we get a centre for one of our excess forwards? Trent may have to be moved because of the suspicion that he will leave this summer as a free agent, however I'd really like to see some effort to improve the obvious lack of shooting and playmaking guards.
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Post by haisan on Jan 24, 2023 5:29:38 GMT -5
I’d love to get Poeltl. And ditching Trent wouldn’t exactly make me sad. Raptors have the NBA’s 11th ORat and 20th DRat, so I think getting a true big is way more important than our streaky, inconsistent shooting guard.
My biggest problems with this trade is that it could easily make the Raptors too good, and could easily derail the tank. I could see us finishing 8th or so in the East.
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Post by Pseudonym on Jan 24, 2023 7:42:32 GMT -5
I’d love to get Poeltl. And ditching Trent wouldn’t exactly make me sad. Raptors have the NBA’s 11th ORat and 20th DRat, so I think getting a true big is way more important than our streaky, inconsistent shooting guard. My biggest problems with this trade is that it could easily make the Raptors too good, and could easily derail the tank. I could see us finishing 8th or so in the East. This creates a real paucity of shooting though. The lack of spacing would crater the offense and supersede any defensive gains. Although you could in theory keep OG and start him at the 2 if Trent gets traded
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Post by scully19 on Jan 24, 2023 8:52:55 GMT -5
I would infinitely rather have OG over Trent. Homegrown, bigger more versatile defender and best friends with Scottie. I am not surprised that there is these offers last year for him for 3 first round picks, he is worth more than Dejonte Murray (although he is vastly overrated and was overpaid for). OG is still very young so you are getting a long term player that is a championship type player (someone never getting played off the floor in the playoffs).
That being said, I get a bad feeling that this trade deadline will involve both of them.
I'm also confused by this Poeltl idea. I like the guy and he can obviously do well at C which we need, but if we're in the development game I would be hoping for Precious to take a bigger role at C and give him a serious chance there to earn it, as well as learn on the job.
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Post by scully19 on Jan 24, 2023 9:11:13 GMT -5
I was just looking at tankathon and wow is this a close battle to get the 5th worst record. The Raptors, currently tied for 6th, are only 3 games up on 3 teams tied for 15th OUTSIDE of the lottery. They are 2.5 back from 5th which is 1 spot away from them. Crazy. One streak here and the tank could be dead.
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Post by haisan on Jan 24, 2023 10:55:57 GMT -5
I’d love to get Poeltl. And ditching Trent wouldn’t exactly make me sad. Raptors have the NBA’s 11th ORat and 20th DRat, so I think getting a true big is way more important than our streaky, inconsistent shooting guard. My biggest problems with this trade is that it could easily make the Raptors too good, and could easily derail the tank. I could see us finishing 8th or so in the East. This creates a real paucity of shooting though. The lack of spacing would crater the offense and supersede any defensive gains. Although you could in theory keep OG and start him at the 2 if Trent gets traded I get that theory, but I disagree. Jakob is a limited offensive player, but he's so damn efficient that he makes up for a lot of his shortcomings. Trent shoots the 3-ball okay (0.360), but he's not great, and he gives up so much that it's not really that helpful. Poeltl fixes our 5 so well that it lets everyone else play much more naturally and efficiently out in the long-2 area. He also makes our more defensively-challenged shooters much more interesting and playable. No, I'm pretty convinced that our roster is talented but badly designed. Fix the roster, and the talent should be able to shine much better.
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Post by Money_Ball on Jan 25, 2023 21:57:36 GMT -5
I wonder what OKC would say if we offered Siakam, OG and Trent for SGA plus cap filler. They'd probably hang up but that's crazy eh?
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Post by Money_Ball on Jan 25, 2023 22:04:21 GMT -5
This creates a real paucity of shooting though. The lack of spacing would crater the offense and supersede any defensive gains. Although you could in theory keep OG and start him at the 2 if Trent gets traded I get that theory, but I disagree. Jakob is a limited offensive player, but he's so damn efficient that he makes up for a lot of his shortcomings. Trent shoots the 3-ball okay (0.360), but he's not great, and he gives up so much that it's not really that helpful. Poeltl fixes our 5 so well that it lets everyone else play much more naturally and efficiently out in the long-2 area. He also makes our more defensively-challenged shooters much more interesting and playable. No, I'm pretty convinced that our roster is talented but badly designed. Fix the roster, and the talent should be able to shine much better. I'm no conspiracy theorist but it's so poorly constructed that it makes you wonder if it was done by design for this season to get another top 5 pick in another deep draft. Pair Barnes with another top prospect and you've got a solid foundation there for years to come.
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Post by haisan on Jan 26, 2023 0:01:27 GMT -5
I wonder what OKC would say if we offered Siakam, OG and Trent for SGA plus cap filler. They'd probably hang up but that's crazy eh? Sad to think what it might have cost us to get SGA at the start of the season, though...
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Post by scully19 on Jan 28, 2023 15:52:59 GMT -5
I wonder what OKC would say if we offered Siakam, OG and Trent for SGA plus cap filler. They'd probably hang up but that's crazy eh? Sad to think what it might have cost us to get SGA at the start of the season, though... apparently OKC was already hanging up on everyone in the off season.
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Post by haisan on Jan 29, 2023 5:19:50 GMT -5
OG to Memphis for Desmond Bane, Danny Green and Tyrus Jones. Who says no?
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Post by scully19 on Jan 29, 2023 10:18:45 GMT -5
OG to Memphis for Desmond Bane, Danny Green and Tyrus Jones. Who says no? Memphis. They are treating Bane like a cornerstone of the team.
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Post by scully19 on Jan 29, 2023 10:29:53 GMT -5
It's kind of crazy it got to here. Everyone loves OG that I don't think he was ever really considered someone we wanted to trade, then the market price has gone up so much and it can make a ton of sense to end up trading him. It almost seems inevitable. It clears up the forward spots logjam and might help us tank to get a high pick in this year's draft as well as a bunch of good assets. We would still need to figure out how to keep tanking successfully and not go on any runs. This would likely mean mixing in GTJ into the trades and also figuring out if they want to resign FVV otherwise trade him as well.
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Post by haisan on Jan 29, 2023 10:35:12 GMT -5
My biggest problem with trading OG is that he's halfway between the ages of Pascal and Scottie, so he's not quite right for an upgrade-go-for-it-now or a rebuild. But he's really valued now, so if he's not happy, this would be the time.
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Post by scully19 on Jan 29, 2023 10:45:14 GMT -5
My biggest problem with trading OG is that he's halfway between the ages of Pascal and Scottie, so he's not quite right for an upgrade-go-for-it-now or a rebuild. But he's really valued now, so if he's not happy, this would be the time. ya he's still very young he would fit on the team for many years. But you do make a good point, FO would know better but if those rumors of him not being satisfied here then it would make even more sense for him to be moved before his last year of his contract next year when he would be up for resigning and his value much lower.
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Post by scully19 on Jan 31, 2023 14:32:26 GMT -5
Trade deadline is coming up. Dunk'd On podcast does a mock trade deadline. Raptors are again very prominent. Very interesting trade worked around OG, Trent for Harris and Maxey. Maxey seems very interesting as he's always a Raptors killer and he would be a big upgrade on offense. Haven't heard this from anywhere and it was intriguing.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 2, 2023 9:48:59 GMT -5
More OG news, he's been shut down basically up until the deadline. It seems almost a certainty he gets moved at this point.
Reports are coming out that Memphis and New Orleans both seem to be very high on OG and according to Chris Haynes neither wants the other to get him. Chris was with New Orleans recently and said they are very high on him... Having some sort of bidding war is the expectation of why we would move OG, in the push to have someone overpay for him.
Honestly if we can somehow take Herb Jones and the Lakers pick this year for OG I'm walking away happy. Losing OG won't be fun, love his character. But selling high is the move that makes sense.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 2, 2023 16:00:47 GMT -5
ESPN made six big trades we want to see, and again the Raptors figure heavily. They have mock trades for FVV, OG and Siakam. Man this is a crazy Raptors trade deadline. www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/35563443/six-big-trades-want-see-2023-nba-trade-deadlineBut one that kind of caught my interest - FVV and Malachi for Lonzo Ball and Coby White. If memory serves I think Coby white is a nice player who can fit for now. Lonzo ball i think actually could be someone that fits very well on the team when healthy. That health part is a double edged sword. If you're trying to tank, taking on players that don't play is a good way to increase you own pick in the short term. It very sadly seems like Lonzo might have difficulty ever playing again. If he did it would be a very good fit then on the Raptors. Lonzo was a huge part of the Bulls actually being good defensively last year at the start of the year, and he is a big guard to can cover shorter ones (or could at least). I would think based on the fear of him not playing again that the Raptors could get a first from this as well. So now i have FVV and OG going out, Lonzo and Herb Jones plus 2 quality first round picks in my fake world of trades. Other trades from the above: Toronto Raptors get: Danny Green, Ziaire Williams, three first-round picks (2024 Warriors, 2025 Grizzlies and 2027 Grizzlies) Memphis Grizzlies get: OG Anunoby Toronto Raptors get: Deandre Ayton, Dario Saric, 2023 Phoenix first-round pick, 2026 swap rights, 2027 Phoenix first-round pick (top-10 protected in 2027, top-4 protected in 2028, unprotected in 2029) Phoenix Suns get: Pascal Siakam So in total, the Raptors will be sending out Siakam, OG and FVV and getting back - Lonzo Ball, Coby White, Danny Green, Ziaire Williams, Deandre Ayton, Dario Saric, and 6 first round picks (7 including 1 from Chicago). I'd rather the OG for Herb Jones and 1 pick vs OG for 3 Grizzlies picks that i would almost expect all to be very high number even out to 2027 based on their trajectory. This way we guarantee 1 good player at least we can build with.
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Post by kap on Feb 3, 2023 11:40:37 GMT -5
What do you make of the prognosis on Lonzo’s injury/surgery? Reports indicate that his rehab is going poorly.
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Post by freewheel on Feb 3, 2023 12:21:10 GMT -5
I like Lonzo Ball a lot (if he's healthy). The problem is that I like Ball playing with Vanvleet, not so much instead of Vanvleet.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 3, 2023 13:15:48 GMT -5
What do you make of the prognosis on Lonzo’s injury/surgery? Reports indicate that his rehab is going poorly. honestly I think it's too bad to make this play not worth it. He still has pain and the doctors are saying they don't know why he still has pain, that's not a good combo. Unless he has another surgery that solves it, it sure seems like either his career is done or limited from here.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 3, 2023 13:17:20 GMT -5
I like Lonzo Ball a lot (if he's healthy). The problem is that I like Ball playing with Vanvleet, not so much instead of Vanvleet. a decent ball handler that got a good shot developed and works well off ball for a ball dominant wing team seems to be a good fit to me. I feel like he can fit on almost any team that has someone else creating more and he a secondary creator to help break down the defense.
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Post by freewheel on Feb 3, 2023 14:16:07 GMT -5
I like Lonzo Ball a lot (if he's healthy). The problem is that I like Ball playing with Vanvleet, not so much instead of Vanvleet. a decent ball handler that got a good shot developed and works well off ball for a ball dominant wing team seems to be a good fit to me. I feel like he can fit on almost any team that has someone else creating more and he a secondary creator to help break down the defense. Actually I want Ball to be the main ball handler. I think his passing is well above average and would help out the half court offense immensely. It is Vanvleet that I want off ball because I don't think he generates good shots for others. I am also not much of a fan of Siakam as the point forward. He isn't a good enough passer either.
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