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Post by scully19 on Jan 30, 2022 11:03:02 GMT -5
Honestly I expect this thread to be mostly dead but I'll make it anyways. I'll just leave this first post as a team breakdown of sorts before I throw out some dumb trade options.
Word has it the FO is not interested in moving on from any of the core 4 guys (FVV, Siakam, OG and Barnes).
This does leave GTJ as an option even though he has been awesome for us it also makes it even more likely that he opts out next year for a bigger contract they we might not be able to afford he might be destined to be gone now no matter what and it could be in our best interest to cash in on now. 16 this year, 17.3 next.
Expiring contracts: Dragic - 19.4 Boucher - 7 Yuta and Bonga - 1.7
Other contacts of note (salary matching or youth): Birch - 6.3, 6.7, 7 Malachi - 2, 2.1, 3.4 (TO) Dalano - 0.9 Precious - 2.7, 2.8, 4.4 (TO)
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Post by scully19 on Jan 30, 2022 11:10:30 GMT -5
First dumb trade is centered on the out of curiosity guy of Ben Simmons. First off, I hate this guy. Second, he's a perfect fit for any sort of all 6'8 and up lineup.
So what the hell. Simmons (33) and Harris (36) For Trent (16), Dragic (19), Boucher (7), Khem (6)... Even as I'm writing this it's clear this won't work. Those contacts get to about 48 vs 69 and no good way to get the rest of the way. Thought was if their goal is to cut costs by moving Harris with Simmons to sign Harden in the off season then maybe Dragic would be a good piece for us to get in on it. Harris is not at all worth his contact but he might be able to get back to more scoring and creation on this team that needs it. Oh well, on to the next one.
I doubt Trent and Dragic move the needle for Philly even though Trent would fit very well there.
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Post by freewheel on Jan 30, 2022 12:22:42 GMT -5
I've heard the rumors of Thies out of Houston. A couple years ago I'd have been all in on the idea. He's a decent player and active. Salary is reasonable. Problem is that he's hardly any different from Birch. Marginally better, but he's not much bigger. If Birch or Achiuwa were going the other way then yes, but if we trade Boucher for Thies I believe the team gets worse.
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Post by scully19 on Jan 30, 2022 17:55:11 GMT -5
Random thought. If we can't get anything of value this year for Dragic, how about Dragic and a 2nd for Rubio? He would be stellar for this team as a bench pg that this trade would allow you to get his rights to resign him next year where you wouldn't be able to get him otherwise with no cap space. He also would cut current value enough for them to get out of the tax threshold.
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Post by freewheel on Jan 30, 2022 18:17:58 GMT -5
Rubio is going to be unrestricted so anyone can sign him. He's not going to get big money so there's no value in his bird rights IMO. So all you're getting is a second rounder. Not a great haul and probably a last resort.
Apparently, they are getting a lot of interest in Dragic so a better deal is expected to be made.
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Post by sandman on Jan 30, 2022 19:27:28 GMT -5
Bring me a former Rap in either Ninja Poetlt or even Ed Davis.
Wouldn't hate the idea of getting Rubio for next year. I think he'd be a solid fit although I might be trying to conjure up Calderon-clone.
We need a solid bench guy as well. Not sure if a Dragic trade will net us that. Really hope we don't deal 1st to get any "immediate" help.
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Post by scully19 on Jan 30, 2022 22:34:03 GMT -5
Rubio is going to be unrestricted so anyone can sign him. He's not going to get big money so there's no value in his bird rights IMO. So all you're getting is a second rounder. Not a great haul and probably a last resort. Apparently, they are getting a lot of interest in Dragic so a better deal is expected to be made. Can't sign him without cap space that the Raptors do not have. It's getting their chance to sign him and seems like he could be a good fit. That being said, if they have more calls on him that's great I didn't hear that and honestly expected him to be waived so we just thinking about something else that can happen. If they can limit the pick or use an extra pick from someone else or something it could be good value to bring him in for a few years.
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Post by scully19 on Jan 31, 2022 15:42:46 GMT -5
Myles Turner sounds like he's been a target of he Raps for a few years, and with him off now and concerns about his injury his value has certainly dropped. Pacers are asking for 2 FRP or 1 FRP and 1 young prospect. Of course they are not going to get that that's just trying to drive up their value. Think Dragic and 1 FRP Lottery protected gets it done? He makes 18 mill so it works for a 1 for 1.
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Post by sandman on Jan 31, 2022 18:28:13 GMT -5
I'm OK with Turner. Love him fantasy wise, but his advanced stats aren't the greatest. If it's a lotto protected first, I'd be good with it. He fits in age-wise with the group.
Only signed for 1 more year though
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Post by scully19 on Feb 8, 2022 10:12:13 GMT -5
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Post by scully19 on Feb 8, 2022 10:55:38 GMT -5
I really find myself hoping for a Turner trade. I know how advanced stats haven't been great but he's really responded well this year and has been able to carry offense when without sabonis. His defensive numbers seem to always be better than his teams numbers and he would seem to be able to fit the teams defensive scheme as well. He would instantly help the whole team normalize minutes, except of course for FVV.
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Post by haisan on Feb 8, 2022 16:07:15 GMT -5
What’s wrong with Turner’s advanced stats? He’s led the league in block % several times. He shoots a good TS%. Maybe didn’t rebound as much as I’d like, but still a good DRat. I’d love to have him on the Raptors.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 8, 2022 16:24:39 GMT -5
What’s wrong with Turner’s advanced stats? He’s led the league in block % several times. He shoots a good TS%. Maybe didn’t rebound as much as I’d like, but still a good DRat. I’d love to have him on the Raptors. I guess it's sort of nothing that blows you away. His defense rating is generally slightly better than team numbers which is good. His offense rating has been kind of low until this season for the most part. Rebounding is a little low for defensive I believe though not positive, definitely something we need that he may not address. He does fit a lot of what the team would do though. I would hope it they do get him they can extend him (if he looks good on the team) and Trent which would lock in a really high quality top 6 guys for a while to come. MLE a solid backup pg unless they plan to use Scottie and Pascal that way and we're done.
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Post by sandman on Feb 8, 2022 20:30:28 GMT -5
I think Turner would balance the team out quite well. Hopefully the first is top 8 protected.
Hate trading picks away, though. But we're not in a position of strength dealing Dragic away.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 8, 2022 22:00:36 GMT -5
I think Turner would balance the team out quite well. Hopefully the first is top 8 protected. Hate trading picks away, though. But we're not in a position of strength dealing Dragic away. I was hoping lottery protected and if we need more to add some 2nds. Really though a late first the expectation might be a role player at best, Masai obviously has killed that with OG and Pascal but then also had Bruno and Delon Wright who is probably exactly what you would expect at that position. That for Turner seems like a no brainer. Also some reports are saying they might keep Turner to play with Tyrese now and apparently Turner is pretty pumped about it so this might be all for naught now. Other funny note, Tyrese was actually sad to leave the Kings and basically just said 2 days ago he wanted to stay and fix the broken culture so of course the Kings move him.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 10, 2022 12:33:25 GMT -5
Not sure how I feel about this yet. Don't know contract status or skills of the 2 players still.
Also they're going from a 20ish pick potentially to early 2nd. Cost is dropping about 10 to 15 spots in the draft this year.
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Post by freewheel on Feb 10, 2022 12:54:59 GMT -5
No doubt its a little strange. The Raps absolutely do not need any more forwards. They have too many as its stands. That being said, Thadeus Young is at the age where being small ball centre is not out of the ordinary. He is sure a hell of a lot more versatile and polished offensively than Achiuwa and Birch. Even last year he averaged 12 points. Maybe thats the idea? As for the other guy...shrug.
I really wanted a guard.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 10, 2022 13:12:10 GMT -5
Ya I'm currently a little disappointed. Young might be able to play some relief minutes for the team this year but for him expiring this year that leaves me with questions. I thought the idea would have been to get someone who is extended into next year so that we would have another chance at a money saving trade. They do spend less than Dragic was owed and are now safely under the luxury cap which is part of what they needed to do here was take back less.
I guess we see how it plays out now.
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Post by freewheel on Feb 10, 2022 13:16:11 GMT -5
They do spend less than Dragic was owed and are now safely under the luxury cap which is part of what they needed to do here was take back less. How much under? Maybe that means they could be a player in the buy-out market for a guard later in the season?
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Post by scully19 on Feb 10, 2022 13:26:37 GMT -5
They saved about 3.5 mill. They were over the cap 1.2mill, so they would have 2.3mill roughly of space.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 10, 2022 14:06:01 GMT -5
Zach Harper from the Athletic actually loves this move from Toronto, generally that Thaddeus Young fits perfect on the team. He's a solid veteran everyone tends to love and he's an extremely versatile defender that has passing and ball handling. Plays the small ball 5. This part at least does sound good. Shores up the bench without stepping in the way of the core 5 guys that have been going so well together. It will be very interesting to see how he fits. He is listed as 6'8" so there's that.
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Post by freewheel on Feb 10, 2022 14:18:58 GMT -5
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Post by sandman on Feb 10, 2022 16:18:53 GMT -5
Raps waived Eubanks.
Seems like a meh deal at the end of the day. Thad Young is probably the 8th guy in a top 8 rotation now.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 10, 2022 16:30:00 GMT -5
I'll raise it slightly above meh if he's able to help bring down everyone's minutes to a more reasonable spot, like 33-35 min range. Otherwise meh is about right. Also if we can bring him back next year at a reasonable rate (assuming he fits well) then it elevates it slightly more.
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Post by sandman on Feb 10, 2022 16:45:08 GMT -5
Yeah that's a good point about the minutes.
Was thinking we'd bring in 2 guys. Especially down the stretch or injury insurance. We'll need to limit minutes or our guys will be dead.
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Post by freewheel on Feb 10, 2022 18:34:49 GMT -5
Not a very sexy trade on the basketball side but it is sort of a subtle deal. There are some positive accounting effects. A little help in minutes reduction for our starters. Some minor scoring impact for the bench. Improved passing? Of course all this depends upon Nurse playing him ahead of Achiuwa and Birch. If he rots on the bench, then its just a small salary dump and cost a draft pick to do it.
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Post by haisan on Feb 10, 2022 18:50:44 GMT -5
The most I think about this trade, the more I like it. You know, for a 2nd-3rd tier move. Mostly because it’s a tacit endorsement of the team — of the way we play, the players, and Nurse. Getting a “real” center would have meant moving things around and becoming more traditional. Thad can basically be plugged in without us changing much.
(Yeah, yeah … a bit of a rationalization … but I’m fine rationalizing when the team is playing so well).
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Post by haisan on Feb 10, 2022 19:23:17 GMT -5
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Post by scully19 on Feb 11, 2022 8:21:43 GMT -5
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Post by scully19 on Feb 11, 2022 9:27:58 GMT -5
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