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Post by sandman on Feb 21, 2022 21:21:38 GMT -5
You would think they'd push the deadline back until after the break, eh?
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Post by haisan on Feb 21, 2022 23:48:54 GMT -5
Used to be that way. But the season used to begin on Nov. 1, so now the All Star break is later in the season. I don’t like the idea of allowing trades when there are only 20 games or so left before the playoffs. But yeah, All Star weekend used to be awesome for trade speculation.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 28, 2022 12:50:50 GMT -5
I've seen reports of GMs suggesting the Lakers trade both LeBron and Davis now while they can still get a massive haul for them. That got me thinking, if that were to happen would Westbrook be credited with destroying 3 franchises?
OKC was dead at that point, sure they lost KD but they had Russ and PG, Russ then blew it up that PG demanded a trade.
Russ in Houston was the final nail in the coffin in Houston that made Harden give up and want out because they had no hope of trading Russ for anything.
Washington would have been in the same situation but they were always bad and got lucky a team wanted him for some reason and was willing to give up actual assets otherwise he would have killed them too.
Now the Lakers while situation is targeted at how badly Russ plays. It's not his fault he's there, that goes to LeBron and Davis, but his overrated play has done them in completely.
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Post by sandman on Feb 28, 2022 18:19:18 GMT -5
Maybe Lebron will be a little less hands-on and let the GM decide who to surround him with.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 28, 2022 23:00:58 GMT -5
Maybe Lebron will be a little less hands-on and let the GM decide who to surround him with. This is obviously the biggest issue, that guy really doesn't learn. This has basically failed for him everytime except going back to Cleveland because he went to a loaded team until he gutted it before leaving. It's also the weirdest part, how does LeBron not know that LeBron does best with deadeye shooters surrounding him? Russ is essentially the anti-thesis of a LeBron teammate, couldn't be further from ideal. The Lakers letting Caruso walk for such a small contact plus Schroeder when they had no other way of acquiring talent doesn't help the FO look any better though. |
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Post by haisan on Mar 1, 2022 3:56:11 GMT -5
I’m always amazed at how bad so many NBA players are at judging talent. Not much better than the average fan, in many ways.
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Post by scully19 on Mar 8, 2022 14:45:13 GMT -5
So Ben Simmons was announced he was going to sit on the bench but not play in the Nets/Sixers game in Philly and I didn't understand why. I figured he would run and hide from playing in Philly this March and he is based on back soreness but why go sit there.
Now it is coming out that he is going to use his reception as part of the grievance to try to get all his money back from the 76ers that was withheld, which is everything but his first cheque he got before the season. I honestly hate this guy.
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Post by haisan on Mar 18, 2022 2:53:54 GMT -5
Just had a WOW moment. Before this season, there was only one player who ever had a PER over 32 ever in the NBA — Wilt Chamberlain in 1961/2 with a 32.1. This season, however, we have TWO players over 32 — Giannis with 32.3 and Jokic with 32.6. And Embiid at 31.4 isn't far behind. Quite an amazing season. ![]() www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/highest-nba-player-efficiency-rating-single-season |
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Post by Pseudonym on Mar 27, 2022 9:35:45 GMT -5
Seems like there's a lot of fraudulence in the East this season.
The Heat are for whatever reason, a fake #1 seed, probably like the Jazz were.
The Bulls and Cavs are struggling (the former more so). They have injuries, but so have Toronto and they are still rolling. Sheeit, how many times has our entire bench been outscored by ONE opposing bench player? The Bulls being 0-16 against the top 6 teams in the league is a wild stat - you think they'd get just one game by fluke or something.
Bucks are coached by Bud. They will always be frauds in my heart until he's gone.
The combo of Doc Rivers + Harden + Embiid's stamina is a nice stew for playoff choking.
Of the teams in the conference to be scared of, it would have to be Boston, Toronto and Brooklyn. Boston has been going through the league like a buzzsaw through paper. The game on Monday should be interesting.
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Post by scully19 on Mar 27, 2022 9:58:14 GMT -5
The Bulls reak of the Raptors with Dwayne Casey running the show. They win against all the bad teams and lose against the best. Also it seems like they have really relied on ball for his defense and steady 3 point shot.
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Post by freewheel on Apr 8, 2022 15:35:52 GMT -5
Man I really feel for Westbrook. The character assassination he is getting is heavy handed. I know he's easy to hate because of his on court persona but I never really hate a guy as long as he's not doing off court stuff. Drunk driving, assault, etc. He plays the game all out. Iverson was much the same, and he's being reclaimed as an all time great despite a similar on court demeanor. I wonder if Westbrook is able to play basketball simply for fun or he driven to succeed only because of his aggression and dislike for people and opponents? Can he relax while playing pickup basketball? Does he have friends? He sure seems to need an ally in the NBA about now. What he really needs is Masai Ujuri to tell him a truth he can trust but I don't think anyone will have him. The basketball player Westbrook is happens to be a perfect fit for the Raptors as a third guard. I wish I could clone him with smile on his face, however the character he portrays is so toxic who will have him? Iverson's career ended early too because no one would have his attitude on their team. basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/266437/Report-Russell-Westbrooks-Personality-Fit-Even-Worse-Than-Basketball-Fit |
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Post by haisan on Apr 8, 2022 17:26:55 GMT -5
Well, I think Iverson’s career also ended early because he was a raging alcoholic who liked to stay out all night. Not the formula for longevity.
As for Westbrook … I was under the impression that he’s never been particularly pleasant to the press. Unless you wanted to talk to him about fashion. So many young stars don’t realize why it’s important to have media allies until it’s too late.
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Post by freewheel on Apr 8, 2022 18:50:34 GMT -5
I guess my point is that Iverson averaged 25 ppg and 42 minutes in 2007 and 2 years later he was out of the league. Not because of injuries either.
Westbrook could be heading down that same path but I'm not sure Westbrook will be reimagined in a better light the way Iverson has been.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 11, 2022 13:26:15 GMT -5
Incredible String of garbage coming from the Lakers to end the year. First they shit on Westbrook as being as worse teammate off the court than on. Then they fire the coach through a brutal tweet from Woj within seconds of winning the last game of the year. Now they have reports that the new coach they want to target is Nurse. This is hilarious shit like the Masai rumors constantly, Nurse is under contract so wanting him means fuck all. They would need to trade to get him and does anyone think we have nurse for anyone on the Lakers roster minus Davis?
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Post by sandman on Apr 11, 2022 17:44:10 GMT -5
I always have a little worry in the back of my mind - maybe it's the VC, Bosh and even Kawhi to a certain extent situations, but I get a teeny bit worried we might lose Nurse.
I mean, LA is a HUGE market, a great place to live and a chance for him to establish himself as an all-time great. There's a big allure to it.
I don't think he does it - it's a mess over there and we got it good over here. The team and structure is solid. I think Masai and Bobby appreciate him as well. The players seem to have huge respect for him as well.
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Post by haisan on Apr 11, 2022 18:53:59 GMT -5
The Klutch connection is the only reason I might pay this story any mind (since that agency represents Nurse too). But still not worried at all.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 11, 2022 19:43:27 GMT -5
I always have a little worry in the back of my mind - maybe it's the VC, Bosh and even Kawhi to a certain extent situations, but I get a teeny bit worried we might lose Nurse. I mean, LA is a HUGE market, a great place to live and a chance for him to establish himself as an all-time great. There's a big allure to it. I don't think he does it - it's a mess over there and we got it good over here. The team and structure is solid. I think Masai and Bobby appreciate him as well. The players seem to have huge respect for him as well. None of that matters, he's under contract. If he really wanted to go they would be emptying their cupboards and then you wouldn't want to be there since they are already pretty empty. It's just not happening. It's the same shit as Masai to Washington, people were talking about it like hey it could make sense he might want to be there the whole time i was just laughing because it's not possible under contract and he would need to be traded for and when you're going for the best it'll cost a shit ton. Then Washington said forget it we'll get someone else. You think Masai is about to let Nurse go at all? I expect Nurse to be the coach here for 15 years. This is going to be a Spo and Pop scenario. |
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Post by scully19 on Apr 12, 2022 8:18:21 GMT -5
Follow up from the above.
Honestly, this is the least news thing ever. The report might as well have been that the Lakers are looking to make changes around LeBron and Davis with Steph Curry the target.
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Post by haisan on Apr 12, 2022 11:05:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't understand why any journalist worth a damn wouldn't respond to that leak with "How?" I mean, the story should be about transparent and pathetic attempts to manipulate the press. Regurgitating idiocy isn't journalism.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 22, 2022 9:03:50 GMT -5
Dallas is beating the Jazz without Luca. Jazz are done, even if they win this series there's a fire sale coming. Truthfully don't think much of most of their players besides Mitchell and Rudy.
Mitchell would be great for creation but bad for defense. His defense might be improveable though when he were to get here theoretically as nurse would tell him it's part of the deal. He would also cost a ton and might be the only player unavailable so seems like there's no need to entertain this too much.
Rudy would be unreal for defense but terrible for offense. At age 29 he might be a little on the high end for our target range but he would still be a high end player for the remainder of his current contract and then likely not worth it anymore after that. I must admit I find this to be very intriguing and keep coming back to this thinking. The Jazz terrible defense against small teams is because their other players suck at defense and they are so dependant on Rudy doing everything on defense and he can't against small units. I'm hesitant largely around that other players seem to hate Rudy and haven't heard specifics on why, draymond for one utterly hates him, seems like the Jazz might not get along with him all that great. If he kills this teams good vibes then that's a no from me, I don't care about improvement if the team hates playing here it'll be their downfall just ask the current Jazz.
So what to get Rudy? His salary is 38 million which means you need to get up to about 30 million to get a valid trade. I think GTJ is the most obvious person to go, he makes 17 that expires next year and is maybe the most moveable, likely between him and OG but I think OG has more value and is signed for an extra year as well. Part 2 of it from the Jazz point of view is what they are trying to do, if they want to free up money then Khem at 6.6 moves us up closer to the number and gives them someone to play some C minutes while also makes then have 24 million almost in expiring. Then maybe they would be looking for Boucher as a sign and trade to get the rest of the way, he would command more than 7 million at that point. That would make the money work but not sure what the Jazz focus would be on in this blow up. The other move for money would be Siakam for Rudy but I'm not down with that, that's too much I think. Lineup would then be FVV, OG, Scottie, Siakam, Rudy with Precious playing in tandem with Rudy and covering all the spare C minutes. After that we would likely need some bench scoring with the MLE and resign Thad. That would give a solid 8 man lineup for the playoffs while for regular season you keep Flynn, Delano and maybe Champagnie in the rotation.
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Post by haisan on Apr 22, 2022 18:37:40 GMT -5
Honestly, I’d be willing to entertain trading almost any Raptor, save Scottie and Siakam, for Golbert. Trent+OG might make sense … although then the need to find outside shooting would be really urgent.
Might be an interesting offseason for available big men. I could see Ayton and Anthony Davis being talked about too. I suspect this year will see the end of the Raptors’ positionless basketball experiment.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 22, 2022 21:39:56 GMT -5
I'm guessing again Rudy would finalize the experiment, he can handle smaller guys, just not in Utah defense because they need him at the rim. If we could keep having big guys around it'll still work, we'll be even bigger.
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Post by haisan on Apr 23, 2022 20:14:18 GMT -5
You know what else I love about Rudy? That TS%. Someone that big in the middle who can put that kind of pressure on the other team… I imagine he’d really open things up for the guys on the perimeter.
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Post by haisan on Apr 26, 2022 9:26:39 GMT -5
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Post by Pseudonym on Apr 29, 2022 20:36:54 GMT -5
So uh, that elbow Siakam gave to Embiid after he did the airplane broke his orbital bone.... And that should end their title dreams like that. Sixers fans will be understandably cheesed like how Raptors fans were when Barnes got injured, but they were up 30 with like 3 minutes left. This is why you take mans out. He already had another injury too.
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Post by zugzwang on Apr 30, 2022 7:18:10 GMT -5
Gah! Hate to hear that. I was kinda rooting for Miami to crush them without any asterisk.
Sounds like Embiid doesn't need surgery, so there's a chance he could still come back.
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Post by scully19 on May 8, 2022 21:12:02 GMT -5
I did not expect Philly and the Mavericks to get back to 2 to 2 after being down 0 2. I thought this was going to be a boring second round that I kind of stopped paying attention.
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Post by sutureself on May 8, 2022 23:06:34 GMT -5
I did not expect Philly and the Mavericks to get back to 2 to 2 after being down 0 2. I thought this was going to be a boring second round that I kind of stopped paying attention. I have a Heat/Mavs/Bucks parlay and cheaper 2-way parlays for Heat/Mavs, Heat/Bucks, Mavs/Bucks so I'm both happy to see the Mavs come back and horrified that Sixers are turning this into a series, especially since I didn't get very good odds for the Heat beating Sixers, that seemed more like the gimme bet to goose the parlay up slightly. |
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Post by haisan on May 9, 2022 18:59:47 GMT -5
I did not expect Philly and the Mavericks to get back to 2 to 2 after being down 0 2. I thought this was going to be a boring second round that I kind of stopped paying attention. When was the last the NBA didn’t have any kind of dominant dynasty looming over everything? Feels like there’s been one most of the time since the Raptors got started (Bulls, Lakers, Lakers again, Miami, Warriors). I guess the time between the two Laker runs was the closest we had. With the Spurs popping up every couple of years to remind everyone how good they were. But since the Raptors beat the Warriors, every year has been different, with new teams rising up. Lots of flaws but lots of good teams. I’m liking it. |
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Post by freewheel on May 9, 2022 20:16:42 GMT -5
Jokic may have won the MVP and deserved it but Atentokoumpo is probably still the best player in the league IMO. I can't think of choosing any other player I'd rather have on my team.
I don't really know what the Heat are doing. They looked awful the last couple games. It's tough that Lowry got hurt and hasn't been a factor, but their shooting is awful. All season long they were possibly the best 3 point shooting team in the NBA and now it's gone. They sure aren't looking like a championship threat.
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