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Post by Springer on Jul 26, 2021 15:59:38 GMT -5
It's going to be interesting seeing Zion and JV playing together.
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Post by scully19 on Jul 26, 2021 16:06:52 GMT -5
For those like me who needed to loo up what Springer was talking about:
Grizzlies move up from 17 to 10 and from 51 to 40 plus to take on the contract of Eric Bledsoe, while swapping similar guys in JV and Adams. This clears cap room for them sure but i still don't exactly get it from the Pelicans point of view. The issues of floor spacing still remain even though JV was shown to hit some 3s. Pelicans are paying for a mistake they created in putting Adams on the team when everyone knew they shouldn't. Griffin got tons of credit at one point from some for the Cavs winning but he has not shown much of anything for team building in the Pelicans. Seems like they are putting all their eggs in getting Lowry in which he seems extremely likely to say thanks but no thanks. Then they have nothing at PG.
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Post by Springer on Jul 26, 2021 19:19:12 GMT -5
Sorry, i should of clarified.
And it looks like that the Grizz are going to flip Bledsoe as he said that he has no interest in playing for the Griz.
Agree that it's a slim chance at getting Lowry, and i read that he's looking for somethign around 3 years for $90mil. yikes!
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Post by scully19 on Jul 26, 2021 19:25:58 GMT -5
Well he might be less ring chasing since he's got there already, could be more into money. If Pelicans are willing to pay out that much maybe that's what it takes for him to go there and forgo another ring chase.
Sign and trade for Lonzo of interest to anyone there?
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Post by sandman on Jul 26, 2021 19:58:07 GMT -5
Sorry, i should of clarified. And it looks like that the Grizz are going to flip Bledsoe as he said that he has no interest in playing for the Griz.Agree that it's a slim chance at getting Lowry, and i read that he's looking for somethign around 3 years for $90mil. yikes! Then Bledsoe should be forced to sit and not play any NBA games. Suck it up buttercup.
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Post by freewheel on Jul 26, 2021 20:04:38 GMT -5
Isnt that just a weird trade? An absolute ton of moving pieces to achieve...I'm not certain what? The Pels do get a bunch of cap space so i guess there is that, but no ever seems to want to sign in New Orleans to begin with.
I would normally say that Lowry should go just for the payout if they would actually offer 90 mill, but Im not sure if that's his first priority this time.
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Post by freewheel on Jul 26, 2021 20:08:57 GMT -5
Sign and trade for Lonzo of interest to anyone there? I kinda like Lonza Ball as a fit on the Raptors however no way if the plan is to draft Suggs. Too much overlap.
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Post by sutureself on Jul 26, 2021 22:01:48 GMT -5
I think, if you take this trade in isolation, this is a good trade for the Pels. I think Val is a better fit beside Zion, doesn't clog up the lane quite as much and is a bit more versatile offensively. Plus of course this frees up some cap room, which may or may not be useful.
It's hard for me to get too excited about this move in the big picture though, because they had to drop in the draft this year just to fix a problem they created directly through the Jrue Holiday trade last offseason. They traded Jrue Holiday for Bledsoe and Steven Adams (who they signed to a 2 year/35 million extension), potential pick swaps in '24 and '26, and 1st rounders in '25 and '27. If Giannis got disgruntled and left that could've been a decent move, because Pels could've ended up with multiple lottery picks. But now they probably won't have anything to show except for some late 1st rounders many years from now, and they clogged up their starting lineup with two expensive vets who couldn't shoot. The only reason they were forced to cut salary and improve their shooting and versatility was because they traded one of their best players away for dead weight.
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Post by sutureself on Jul 26, 2021 22:10:05 GMT -5
Sorry, i should of clarified. And it looks like that the Grizz are going to flip Bledsoe as he said that he has no interest in playing for the Griz.Agree that it's a slim chance at getting Lowry, and i read that he's looking for somethign around 3 years for $90mil. yikes! Then Bledsoe should be forced to sit and not play any NBA games. Suck it up buttercup. Bledsoe needs a reality check. He's a below average shooter and isn't great at setting up teammates. He could be that sparkplug defensive backup PG, Lindsey Hunter type if he embraces that role, but he won't last long in the league if he demands to only play starting minutes.
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Post by scully19 on Jul 28, 2021 15:24:48 GMT -5
Philly is such a joke right now. Trying to trade Ben Simmons whose value has never been lower, they are apparently just calling around the places trying to get everything from them. Report from WOJ now says it is a package of every pick possible alternating years plus options to pick swaps the remainder of years plus a young player with good potential if not already all star. I guess Morey just likes getting laughed at or is just canvasing the league for a moron before he fields real offers. You probably can't even get just the all-star straight up if that All-Star is capable of playing in the playoffs in the 4th quarter.
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Post by layman on Jul 31, 2021 4:07:59 GMT -5
The supposed Westbrook trade feels like a step backwards for the Lakers. I don't understand what kind of synergy they're hoping to create, and the short roster feels like a foolish gamble.
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Post by scully19 on Jul 31, 2021 6:17:11 GMT -5
The supposed Westbrook trade feels like a step backwards for the Lakers. I don't understand what kind of synergy they're hoping to create, and the short roster feels like a foolish gamble. Agreed, it feels like they need to find elite 3pt shooting for cheap in order to effectively use this lineup. They wanted someone else to help handle the ball and they decided to go with someone who handles the ball too much. Westbrook has never been one to play off ball but if he committed to that then this could be a good fit but I doubt it happens.
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Post by haisan on Jul 31, 2021 7:31:17 GMT -5
I think the main reason for the Westbrook trade was for the regular season, so LeBron and AD can get all the rest they need without the team's record going into the toilet. Then in the playoffs, a health LBJ and AD can do their thing.
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Post by scully19 on Jul 31, 2021 9:51:10 GMT -5
That's fair. Playoffs they put AD at C and those 2 can work well together that way.
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Post by layman on Jul 31, 2021 12:17:36 GMT -5
The supposed Westbrook trade feels like a step backwards for the Lakers. I don't understand what kind of synergy they're hoping to create, and the short roster feels like a foolish gamble. Agreed, it feels like they need to find elite 3pt shooting for cheap in order to effectively use this lineup. They wanted someone else to help handle the ball and they decided to go with someone who handles the ball too much. Westbrook has never been one to play off ball but if he committed to that then this could be a good fit but I doubt it happens. I don't know that he has the skillset to play off ball. Out of the two of them I'd say Lebron is the better off ball player, but he's also the better playmaker. And of course, why expend so much of your roster and your cap on getting a player who would need to change their game to fit in? It doesn't make sense.
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Post by freewheel on Jul 31, 2021 12:28:06 GMT -5
Well James had to give his approval before a trade like this could happen so that mean James thinks he can make it work. That's all that really counts. The real question then becomes is James still the incredible force that can overcome dysfunctional pieces. At some point decline is going to be a factor if it isn't already.
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Post by scully19 on Jul 31, 2021 12:48:40 GMT -5
By off ball I meant more than he work as a cutter that is so explosive he just keeps getting back door for dunks.
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Post by sandman on Aug 2, 2021 19:38:43 GMT -5
So the Knicks have gone out and signed Rose, Fournier, Noel and Burks to contracts.
That's a lotta depth... but also a lotta money tied to mostly depth players.
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Post by Springer on Aug 2, 2021 23:59:53 GMT -5
So Norm is getting paid the same annual salary as GTJ, just a longer contract. Norm's more polished, but how much upside will GTJ have after 2 more years (when his player option comes up) compared to Norm? It appears that GTJ likes the Raps system and the city, but Norm LOVED it.
I applauded the trade originally because i thought signing Norm would cost too much, but now, I don't know.
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Post by sandman on Aug 3, 2021 8:25:59 GMT -5
NBA salaries are crazy.
The amount of money these guys get, wow.
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Post by scully19 on Aug 3, 2021 8:39:22 GMT -5
So Norm is getting paid the same annual salary as GTJ, just a longer contract. Norm's more polished, but how much upside will GTJ have after 2 more years (when his player option comes up) compared to Norm? It appears that GTJ likes the Raps system and the city, but Norm LOVED it. I applauded the trade originally because i thought signing Norm would cost too much, but now, I don't know. that was my exact reaction. The trade was almost just one for cap space possibilities since Trent had a lesser cap hold. If Trent is a better defender maybe it makes more sense but I would have rather kept the player that loves it and is a good model for the team of younger guys.
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Post by Springer on Aug 3, 2021 15:07:08 GMT -5
Demar S&T to the Bulls for Thad Young, a 1st rounder and 2 2nd rounders.
Nice haul by the Spurs for giving up nothing. Hopefully we're getting more than Dragic and Precious!
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Post by sutureself on Aug 3, 2021 17:09:06 GMT -5
Demar S&T to the Bulls for Thad Young, a 1st rounder and 2 2nd rounders. Nice haul by the Spurs for giving up nothing. Hopefully we're getting more than Dragic and Precious! If only Lowry had wanted to go to a clown show like the Bulls, maybe we could've gotten that type of haul too...I still think Dragic and Precious is a really solid return for a UFA who could've walked for nothing. Precious is one of those classic Masai projects sort of like Siakam or Scottie Barnes, a versatile defender who moves like a SF and has the wingspan of a C, and an iffy shot the team hopes will develop over time. Bulls are setting themselves up to be the perfect treadmill team who finishes 6th to 8th in the conference every season and gets knocked out in the first round.
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Post by scully19 on Aug 3, 2021 20:53:14 GMT -5
I don't understand what the Bulls are doing there. Also I'm dad for DeRozan, he was just looking at MLE to play for a good team and got tricked by the money to pay for a mediocre one. I was hoping he would get a chance to go for it but this Bulls team just doesn't really fit well together I don't think.
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Post by Springer on Aug 4, 2021 0:32:16 GMT -5
I don't understand what the Bulls are doing there. Also I'm dad for DeRozan, he was just looking at MLE to play for a good team and got tricked by the money to pay for a mediocre one. I was hoping he would get a chance to go for it but this Bulls team just doesn't really fit well together I don't think. You want Demar to call you Daddy???
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Post by scully19 on Aug 4, 2021 8:05:00 GMT -5
Freudian slip it seems...
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Post by sutureself on Aug 4, 2021 12:22:28 GMT -5
The Demar, Maarkanen, Vucevic lineup reminds me a bit of when Raptors rolled out a starting lineup of Turkoglu, Bosh, and Bargnani in terms of lack of switchability, lack of rim protection etc. I think Bosh is a better defender than anyone else on that list too so Bulls could really be a shitshow on D this year
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Post by scully19 on Aug 4, 2021 13:49:22 GMT -5
I think the Bulls and Pelicans have had a downright terrible off season. Bulls should actually at least make the playoffs but be bottom of the East with zero chance to improve and very little assets remaining with a huge budget.
Pelicans have just been brutal. They are further from making the playoffs than when they started and it cost them a bunch of draft picks to do it. If you look at the list of moves they made it is all just a confusing mess that just leaves you thinking they should just take Zion now to OKC and take all their draft picks plus Shai because they are making no sense and might as well just get it over with.
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Post by sandman on Aug 4, 2021 17:12:49 GMT -5
How do you go from selecting a pretty solid player in Zion and fail to adequately build your team around him?
They've had 2 #1 picks in the last 10 years and still can't properly build a contender.
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Post by scully19 on Aug 4, 2021 21:46:16 GMT -5
Every move they made in the last 2 years trying to build quick around Zion has been bad. They traded Jrue like they were rebuilding for draft assets and negative assets when he is a pretty great player to keep around. Then they go get Steven Adams and immediately extended him even though it is clear to everyone that's not the right move. This year was basically trying to undo last year's terrible mistakes and doing it in a worse way. I still got love for Jonas, especially playoff Jonas, but they had to trade down and give up draft assets they built up for no reason in order to get out from Steven Adams. Can anyone explain why they hate Lonzo so much? Zion likes him, he's the right age range and can play done defense but they think it's better to have Lowry and satoransky so just sign and trade him. They basically completely ignore that there is zero reason Lowry would go there, it's not happening. So then they need to go after Graham and need to send out more draft assets to do it...I just can't get over this, it boggles the mind. They basically trade away draft assets to get worse and fill up all their cap space. This is basically enough at this point they should just fire the GM right now.
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