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Post by scully19 on May 26, 2021 9:32:08 GMT -5
Clippers basically asked for this by purposely losing to drop seeds and now they have a lot of questions to ask themselves.
It really is crazy that Kawhi left because he said he doesn't think this Toronto team can win again but in reality basically every player they had got better the next year and would have been for sure finals contender for years to come besides maybe Tampa crap.
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Post by sandman on May 26, 2021 22:19:36 GMT -5
So, do ya think the Celtics will ever accomplish anything? Been 3-4 seasons now where they are on the cusp and never get anywhere..
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Post by scully19 on May 26, 2021 23:07:20 GMT -5
Nah, they've had too much leave for nothing and Kemba will be a lost cause to injuries. They'll have not enough talent left to really go anywhere barring someone far out doing their draft spot.
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Post by coach on May 27, 2021 5:31:06 GMT -5
So, do ya think the Celtics will ever accomplish anything? Been 3-4 seasons now where they are on the cusp and never get anywhere.. Paul Pierce thinks they are championship bound... every year.
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Post by Pseudonym on May 27, 2021 10:17:06 GMT -5
So, do ya think the Celtics will ever accomplish anything? Been 3-4 seasons now where they are on the cusp and never get anywhere.. They seem dangerously close to being a treadmill team. Absurd, considering they have Brown and Tatum.... But that's all they have
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Post by scully19 on May 27, 2021 18:37:49 GMT -5
It seems amazing that with all the advantages they had that they didn't really even get that close to a title. I know they made it to the conference finals 3 times but they were always just a lucky easy schedule and severe underdogs there.
I feel like they screwed around too much with the players they had, fucking with Isaiah I think hurt their ability to recruit even though they still managed to get Horford, Hayward and Kemba. Really just going for Kyrie is a big mistake as he is a flake, then they got really unlucky with Hayward. Kemba writing seemed on the wall with Charlotte not wanting to sign him to too much money because he was on his way out.
Shows just how hard it is to build through the draft and not a certainty like most people think for tanking if you finish 4th in the conference or some shit. Stupid.
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Post by scully19 on May 27, 2021 21:34:41 GMT -5
Looks like the heat should have traded for Mr Lowry.
I'm happy for the Bucks and Giannis. I obviously wanted him here but since that doesn't seem to be happening i like his style, super loyal to the team that brought him and gave him a chance. Kind of cheering for them.
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Post by sandman on May 27, 2021 21:53:47 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed that there has been a lot of negative press towards Lebron lately?
I don't hate it. He definatly earns it with the way he plays and acts at times. But it seems to have ramped up recently.
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Post by scully19 on May 27, 2021 23:17:14 GMT -5
Haven't noticed personally but I don't read much press stuff I just listen to podcast and really just from the guys at the top who just stick to facts and not trying to have "takes". I won't pay attention to anyone if they are part of the takes group.
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Post by MangoKid on May 28, 2021 16:05:08 GMT -5
If you're dumping on Lebron, at least 80% of it is trying to be edgy or get attention IMO.
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Post by coach on May 29, 2021 17:39:45 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed that there has been a lot of negative press towards Lebron lately? I don't hate it. He definatly earns it with the way he plays and acts at times. But it seems to have ramped up recently. He had a couple of controversial quotes in the news, but then again if anyone else had said them I doubt they would have been pushed by media. Everyone's got an opinion and I don't give anyone more credibility than the area of their expertise. He knows the game of basketball pretty well and so I defer to him in that arena.His opinion on other subjects is not newsworthy. Well, at least to me.
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Post by Springer on May 30, 2021 0:12:41 GMT -5
LOVE seeing the Playoff Powell legacy continuing....
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Post by Pseudonym on May 30, 2021 10:32:13 GMT -5
LOVE seeing the Playoff Powell legacy continuing.... The collective feeling of Raptors fans has to be that of a proud parent.
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Post by Pseudonym on May 31, 2021 8:55:49 GMT -5
Well, well, well, how the turntables in the Clippers-Mavs series.... You know what they say, uh, a series doesn't start until the road team loses a game. Dallas is terrible defensive team; they are going to have to out score LA, which they can do, if Doncic is healthy. However it's still to heliocentric. That's what KP is for but he seems to have the worst aspects of Bargnani and Valanciunas' games, especially on the defensive end.
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Post by sutureself on May 31, 2021 15:06:33 GMT -5
I never thought of the Bargnani comparison before. I fell for the Unicorn hype and in my head I still picture Porzingis as a young 7'3" Serge Ibaka. But you're right, 32 min/15 points/4 rebounds/1 assist/1 block per game...those are vintage Bargnani numbers, particularly 2008-2009 Bargnani in his third season (31 min/15 points/5 rebounds/1 assist/1.2 blocks).
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Post by scully19 on May 31, 2021 17:10:55 GMT -5
Dallas has to be feeling buyers remorse pretty hard over KP, as you guys have said he's not been great for them and his is proving to be getting played off the floor as teams just go small against him and dominate because he can not punish them on the other end, and this is all when he's not injured. I'm with you sutureself, i fell into this unicorn stuff but never watched or paid attention much, I wonder if the injuries have slowed him down and taken that unicorn status away. Doesn't seem like he's very tradable at all with his price and actual value.
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Post by scully19 on Jun 2, 2021 14:28:47 GMT -5
So, Boston gets eliminated and very quickly Danny Ainge leaves and Brad Stevens takes over the front office. Extremely weird and fast move. 2-3 years ago Brad was looked at as the best coach in the league and is looked at as one of the best in the league for sure. He turned down a 70 million deal from some college so you have to imagine this was planned from a long time ago.
As everyone knows Bill Simmons is a big Celtics homer, so he has done an emergency pod on this news (which I haven't listened to yet) so check that out for a reaction to the news.
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Post by sutureself on Jun 3, 2021 0:45:40 GMT -5
Interesting...weird move for sure. Most of the guys who made the leap from coach to president of basketball operations that I can remember, are guys like Pat Riley who have been doing it forever and you get the sense they earned it from being on top for so long, and they want a younger coach to carry on their legacy of success. Celtics always seem to get bit by the injury bug every year so I don't necessarily think it's Brad Stevens' fault the team has underachieved, but it's a bit weird to take this guy whose teams were always decent but never even made the finals, and make him The Guy. It would be like if the Raptors made Dwane Casey president in 2018.
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Post by haisan on Jun 3, 2021 8:02:54 GMT -5
Interesting...weird move for sure. Most of the guys who made the leap from coach to president of basketball operations that I can remember, are guys like Pat Riley who have been doing it forever and you get the sense they earned it from being on top for so long, and they want a younger coach to carry on their legacy of success. Celtics always seem to get bit by the injury bug every year so I don't necessarily think it's Brad Stevens' fault the team has underachieved, but it's a bit weird to take this guy whose teams were always decent but never even made the finals, and make him The Guy. It would be like if the Raptors made Dwane Casey president in 2018. Funnily enough, wouldn't that be Ujiri, too? Before he came to the Raptors, that is. Who knows if they see something really good, or if they're totally bonkers. Loving this sport is all about the recency bias... ;-)
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Post by scully19 on Jun 3, 2021 8:27:28 GMT -5
Ujiri started in scouting and worked his way up to Ast GM here i believe before going to Denver for GM then back here. He's more just a classic cream rising to the top scenario.
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Post by sandman on Jun 3, 2021 10:25:59 GMT -5
... I actually didn't know Masai was with the Raps prior to Denver.
I just read up on it.
I don't remember ever hearing about him before Denver.
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Post by scully19 on Jun 3, 2021 10:29:52 GMT -5
It's the main reason he wanted to be back, long history here.
Best thing BC ever did for us was creating his successor.
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Post by Pseudonym on Jun 3, 2021 11:48:55 GMT -5
Doncic with an all-time carry job, contributing nearly a third of the Mavericks' offensive output....and producing more than Kawhi and PG13 combined. Dallas has a crazy absence of secondary scoring and playmaking. Box & 1 might actually work against them.
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Post by scully19 on Jun 3, 2021 13:18:11 GMT -5
I thought when the Clips came back to even the series they had swung it, perhaps solved how to slow down Doncic enough that the Dallas offense would struggle too much...That was not the case clearly. So now back again to being down and needing to win 2 in a row. I'm really curious about the fallout that is can come from this Clips losing in round 1. They blamed it on the coach last year in firing Doc, I don't think they can do that again. They have no draft picks or assets really to improve their team generally. Do they look to trade PG? Sign and trade Kawhi? Or do they keep going with it again and spend whatever they can to get it going again. Really a terrible move to trade all assets for PG, they should have had some with holding, I know OKC had them over a barrel but they still could have fought to keep some assets back because zero chance OKC in the end says no to most of the assets at the final bell. Clips blinked first and now they are the next franchise to be completely screwed by over selling their future. (Unless they come back and win the series and then i've jumped the gun agian.
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Post by freewheel on Jun 3, 2021 15:40:57 GMT -5
I guess thats what it took to get Leonard, but Paul George has never been all that impressive to me. Doesnt anyone remember that the Casey/Derozan/Lowry Raptors beat Paul George in the playoffs? I was then and still remain confused as to why Leonard picked George as the guy he wanted the Clippers to target. There must be 30 guys I'd have chosen over George. He couldn't have been the only one available for that enormous package.
As for the Clippers this season, I'd be willing to blame Ty Lue. I think he's a terrible coach. Far worse than Rivers, but you're right that they have painted themselves into a corner. Maybe it was all worth it financially?
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Post by scully19 on Jun 3, 2021 17:32:23 GMT -5
As far as was said in the subject it seems like Leonard came up with George although never got to play with him. So sounds like he basically had a life long admiration of George and thought it would be a good plan to join with him.
Another good example of why players shouldn't try to do the GM job too.
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Post by scully19 on Jun 3, 2021 21:38:02 GMT -5
Blazers and Powell eliminated from the playoffs. Close battle until the 4th and they got blown out, didn't watch do no analysis here just a shame. can't help but cheer for Powell and Lillard.
Quick thought for their off season, sign Norm and move CJ for a more versatile wing to round out the team better. The guard duo is done here I think.
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Post by scully19 on Jun 4, 2021 0:16:22 GMT -5
LeBron James and the Lakers gone in the first round. I know LeBron wasn't 100 percent and obviously Davis was gone the last couple games but Phoenix had Chris Paul unable to play properly for near the whole series so give them some credit for this. I have no problem seeing the Lakers fall and good job Phoenix for doing it.
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Post by Springer on Jun 4, 2021 1:43:27 GMT -5
it would be so satisfying if both LA teams bow out in the 1st round. The only player on the Clips that i'm rooting for is Serge, but they've misused him so badly this season.
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Post by coach on Jun 4, 2021 5:49:45 GMT -5
LOVE seeing the Playoff Powell legacy continuing.... I think Norm has and will show that description is past tense. He carried the Raptors at times in the regular season just past. In fact if he can stay free of injury I think Norm will have a very productive next few years in regular or playoffs. As long as Dame recognizes who he has on his team and doesn't hog the ball Norm will do fine.
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