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Post by freewheel on Jun 22, 2023 14:54:09 GMT -5
Draft tonight. Raps have 13th pick but do have the assets to make a move if they really want to. I'm not sure moving up is the answer for this roster but I wouldn't be against it either.
Even at pick 13 we hopefully have a decent chance at a very good guard. Most of the early picks will go to big guys allowing us to nab one of the better guards.
Either way the draft is one of the few times per year where some action across the league is possible. I always find it interesting.
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Post by scully19 on Jun 22, 2023 15:39:53 GMT -5
1 guy who was mocked to be picked by the Raptors was jalen hood-scarfino (sp), I was listening to Hollinger and Duncan and both of them looked at him terribly, Hollinger has him down at 40 on his list and Duncan didn't even have him listed. Hope we stay away from that.
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Post by scully19 on Jun 22, 2023 15:49:16 GMT -5
From what I've heard from other people as I do no research on my own until after drafted because who the hell knows what the FO is going to do, I'm not looking into expected level players and then they take a reach or someone unexpected: Scoot Amen Thompson Anthony black Kobe Bufkin Cam Whitmore Bilal Coulibaly Keynote George Carson Wallace Leonard Miller
Long list but we'll see where they go.
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Post by scully19 on Jun 22, 2023 20:31:23 GMT -5
Gradey Dick?
Unexpected
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Post by zugzwang on Jun 22, 2023 20:43:40 GMT -5
As a shooter, Dick really plugs a hole for the Raps.
Oh man, puns are gonna fly.
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Post by scully19 on Jun 22, 2023 20:47:30 GMT -5
I guess good they got an elite shooter...I know nothing about him but hopefully he'll be able to play in the playoffs and not taken off the board. I'm going to go away and be disappointed. I don't think I'm going to be able to watch Scoot kick ass ever and not feel regret about so many moves the Raptors made.
I guess the team moto right now is 'Its all nurse's fault'. A lot of expectations put on Darko now because the FO now have no excuses, it's all on them now. They picked the coach and stuck with the team. If it falls it's them alone.
Only positive I feel right now is, if as expected they sign Yak and FVV, that they will at least have assets and not lost them for nothing. After which they can make solid trades with guys who have long contracts and therefore worth more than expiring players.
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Post by Pseudonym on Jun 22, 2023 20:49:57 GMT -5
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Post by zugzwang on Jun 22, 2023 20:53:04 GMT -5
Top Dick puns flying out there so far:
--he has an elite stroke
--2023, the year of Masai's Dick pick
--some commentators have an issue with Dick's length
I really hope Dick has a great career and makes the fans choke on these.
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Post by Pseudonym on Jun 22, 2023 20:56:47 GMT -5
I guess good they got an elite shooter...I know nothing about him but hopefully he'll be able to play in the playoffs and not taken off the board. I'm going to go away and be disappointed. I don't think I'm going to be able to watch Scoot kick ass ever and not feel regret about so many moves the Raptors made. I guess the team moto right now is 'Its all nurse's fault'. A lot of expectations put on Darko now because the FO now have no excuses, it's all on them now. They picked the coach and stuck with the team. If it falls it's them alone. Only positive I feel right now is, if as expected they sign Yak and FVV, that they will at least have assets and not lost them for nothing. After which they can make solid trades with guys who have long contracts and therefore worth more than expiring players. But those Heat were deeply and profoundly inferior to the Nuggets, who's best player put up a historical run and plays like he has the Sharingan. That is, unambiguous star power. Denver is the team to model, not the Heat, although running Scottie from the high post can emulate Denver's stuff somewhat - the golden thing would be for that kind of passing with 3 level scoring....Scottie is only a one level scorer, based on last season.
If the go-to thing in the half court was to give him a post touch, a midrange game would be better to develop tbh
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Post by haisan on Jun 22, 2023 21:08:02 GMT -5
Well, at least I can go back to being a Scoot Henderson skeptic.
Gradey Dick is the next Klay Thompson? Sure, why not. Let the self-delusions begin!
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Post by haisan on Jun 22, 2023 21:09:08 GMT -5
Top Dick puns flying out there so far: --he has an elite stroke --2023, the year of Masai's Dick pick --some commentators have an issue with Dick's length I really hope Dick has a great career and makes the fans choke on these. I'm looking forward to hearing about "Dick going strong to the hole" myself. Jack Armstrong might have a stroke with that one.
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Post by freewheel on Jun 22, 2023 21:18:41 GMT -5
So we got a shooter. The question is whether he can he stay on the floor as a guard. We don't need any more forwards. It's nice that we've added a weapon that our new coach can use but it also puts pressure on our coach to change the way this team runs their offense. Dick isn't going to be creating his own shot.
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Post by scully19 on Jun 22, 2023 21:27:38 GMT -5
Watching this video, doesn't look like he's going to be a star that carries the team but he looks like he could be an essential starter role player that keeps the other team afraid. This isn't a swing for the fences but this is basically securing a at worst solid rotation player. If you're drafting at this spot... And not 3rd... Then getting a solid rotation player is a pretty good get.
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Post by scully19 on Jun 22, 2023 22:00:01 GMT -5
Vecenie Writeup:
16\. Gradey Dick W | Kansas | Birthdate: Nov. 29, 2003 (Age: 19) | 6-6 | 205 LBS | Hometown: Wichita, Kan.
YEAR | TEAM | LEAGUE | AGE | GP | PPG | RPG | APG | TOPG | BPG | SPG | FG% | 3P% | FT% ----|----|------|---|--|---|---|---|----|---|---|---|---|--- 2022-23 | Kansas | NCAA (Big 12) | 19 | 36 | 14.1 | 5.1 | 1.7 | 1.3 | 0.3 | 1.4 | 44.2 | 40.3 | 85.4
**STRENGTHS**
Great size for a floor spacer at 6-foot-6 1/4 without shoes. Bigger than these types of players normally are. An underrated athlete. Won’t be an above-average athlete in the NBA but does have more pop than he gets credit for. Has some real question marks that we’ll address below, but he does play a very fluid game athletically. Great hand-eye coordination.
Dick is terrific shooter. He brings more to the table, but that’s where everything starts. His entire offensive game is predicated upon how big of a weapon he is off the catch. Has an exceptionally smooth release and pristine mechanics that will translate well to any level. Balance is perfect on every shot. Almost perfect shot prep. Great weight transfer from his lower half to upper half. His release point is very high, which makes it harder to contest than the typical 6-8 shooter in shoes. On top of that, can get the ball off quickly. Doesn’t need to dip the ball off the catch to fire it from 3. All of this makes him very hard to close out on effectively. Made 37 percent of his catch-and-shoot 3s this past season on great volume, taking about six per game.
Moreover, Dick’s a versatile shooter. He hits shots off legitimate actions and off different footwork. Will hit them off the hop or on a one-two step. There isn’t a moment where he has the ball in his hands that he’s not capable of stopping and firing from 3 if you don’t stay attached to him. Can go behind a dribble handoff and make one, as well as get balanced quickly off the hop coming off a flare screen. Lethal in transition, where he will stop and fire from 25 feet. Has great instincts for finding open shots. Moves extremely well without the ball. Will hit them off one-dribble relocations or off relocating offensive rebounds. I think there’s a case that he’s a better pull-up shooter than a catch-and-shoot guy off those one- or two-dribble relocations or movements. Hit 53.5 percent of his 3s off the dribble this past season, per Synergy, most of which were in those kinds of settings. Knows how to space to help create lanes for his teammates. Understands the gravity of his floor spacing and how to best weaponize it.
Additionally, he’s a sharp cutter. Has potential to be one of those guys who’s just constantly in motion on offense and was utilized that way at Kansas. Knows how to take advantage of defenders overplaying him and cut backdoor. Sets up defenders, then counters with quick moves. His sense of timing is superb on plays like this. Once he catches, he’s a terrific finisher. Shields the ball from defenders well and knows how to contort and adjust his body in midair to create angles to finish at the rim. Again, showcases great balance and focuses well on the rim in these circumstances. That tremendous touch translates here too. Made 58.7 percent of his half-court opportunities at the basket, per Synergy, a good number for a floor spacer who largely will be getting cutting opportunities or chances off hard closeouts.
Not going to self-create much but does use the threat of the shot to attack closeouts and put pressure on defenders. Again, can finish at the rim in these circumstances. Will hit one- or two-dribble pull-ups from both midrange or from behind the 3-point line. If he gets an advantage on an out-of-control close, he’s going to take it. Must be so solid and consistent, or he will beat you. Also shines as a passer here. Really knows how to read defenders and find his open teammates on the move on his drives. Eyes flash both to cutters toward the rim and for kickouts to the 3-point line. Really high feel for the game and knows how to either make the one-touch quick read or how to draw defenders toward him to make the kickout to the open man. Only averaged 1.7 assists per game, but he knows how to move the ball within the construct of the offense. Per Pivot Analysis, Kansas scored 115.3 points per 100 possessions with Dick on the court and outscored its opponent by nearly 15 points. When he was off the court, Kansas only scored 98.6 points per 100 possessions and lost by six points per 100. No other player on Kansas saw greater than a five-point differential in terms of improving the team’s offense.
**WEAKNESSES**
Dick doesn’t have overly long arms. His 8-foot-5 standing reach is not as big as his height would indicate. He is an underrated athlete and better in this regard than some traditional floor spacers he’ll be compared to such as Duncan Robinson, Kevin Huerter and Max Strus. But he’s not an above-average athlete on the wing in the NBA, and where he lacks right now is in the strength department. The intersection of average-ish athleticism, below-average length and below-average strength will be a real problem he has to fix at the next level.
A lot of these issues result in real defensive worries for scouts. Dick has moments when he’s OK, and he got better throughout his freshman season at using angles and being aware of his help-side responsibilities. He is competitive and wants to be able to handle his workload on this end. His hands are good, and he has good anticipation for getting into passing lanes. He took a lot of charges by getting himself into solid spots. Still, he has a real chance to be a player who gets hunted in the NBA defensively by bigger on-ball creators.
He’s not strong enough right now to hold up in those situations on an island. Players go through his chest and power him to the rim even when he has good position. His feet are OK, and he generally does a good job of getting in the way against college competition, but bigger NBA wings have potential to cause him a lot of issues by putting their shoulder into him and using deceleration steps. Despite being 6-foot-8, he doesn’t get his length in the way all that often and seems to give quite a bit of extra space to compensate for his average lateral quickness so that he doesn’t get blown by. Additionally, he struggles to fight through screens right now. Gets clipped often. Recovers fine when he gets beat in isolation but doesn’t seem to have as much recovery ability in ball screen situations. There also seem to be a lot of breakdowns involving him in actions when communication is involved and an exchange has to take place. With Dick’s size and fluid feet, I think he has potential to fix up some of these worries as he gets stronger. But he will likely struggle on an NBA court early.
Dick does not really project as a shot creator off the bounce in terms of creating his own advantages. Seems to be a two-dribbles- and-pass guy right now. It doesn’t project to be his role necessarily, and he’ll be successful on offense with or without it. But it would be helpful for him if he could run second-side ball screens or create an advantage on his own off the bounce to collapse defenders as opposed to someone else needing to create the advantage for him by collapsing the defense and getting him into a good spot where he has a defender closing out on him. To do this, he’d need to do some real work on his handle in terms of changing directions and speed. It would be a surprise to see him reach the level where he is a second-side option as a creator. That limits his upside a bit unless he essentially turns into Klay Thompson as an off-ball weapon in the right offense.
**SUMMARY**
Dick seems like one of the safest bets we’ve seen in a while to be a genuinely good floor spacer in the NBA. His shooting mechanics, basketball IQ and overall comfort level as a player who can score without needing the ball in his hands constantly projects extremely well toward the NBA, regardless of situation. He can play in a ball-movement-heavy scheme or in a heliocentric scheme where one player dominates the ball. Guys like this who can create their offense simply by moving without the ball and finding dead spaces in the defense are often worth their weight in gold on offense if they can convert 3s. Even if he’s not the one making shots, he has to be guarded, which opens space for everyone else. The defense must improve. There are signs he could get to an adequate level in time, but there are significant flaws that could crater his game on that end if things don’t go right. The offensive game has potential to be so positive in how it impacts his team that he has to be taken somewhere in the top 20. If the defense breaks right, he could be seen as something of a steal if he ends up being near the end of the lottery. Being able to hold his own on defense would make him a starter in the NBA. But there are some improvement areas he needs to work through before he reaches that level.
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Post by blueyoda on Jun 23, 2023 0:06:09 GMT -5
Rockchalk Jayhawk! Small disclosure: I'm a Jayhawk Try to watch most of the KU games that are watchable from here - so here is my take, its no official scouting report like what scully shared. I thought Gradey will go top 8, or at least top 10 and we didnt have a chance at 13. One of the, if not the best pure shooter in this draft. Defensively nothing extraordinary, but not a sieve. Plays smart offensively and hard defensively. Not just a spot up shooter, he can hustle, cut and create though not skilled enough to a full-blown ball handler. Needs a bit more upper body strength but that's for a lot of young freshmen drafted. If there is one concern I had in watching last year's game, there are times when he yields to veterans on the team when you knew he was the top talent there. Doesn't have that bully ball mentality like FVV or Lowry, more like how Barnes yields to the other vets even if he is very talented. I have seen a bit of fourth quarter Barnes behaviour with Gradey too - pushing harder when its too little too late.. Hopefully, that changes with maturity and growth over the years. We have two shooters with Trent and Dick in a team that struggled to shoot, so that's a positive - as long as they get enough floor time.
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Post by zugzwang on Jun 23, 2023 5:59:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the video, scouting report and views, guys. Really helps.
A tall shooter with a release that is both unusually quick and high. There could be something to get excited about.
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Post by zugzwang on Jun 23, 2023 6:01:45 GMT -5
Sorry, they just keep cumming... Rockchalk Jayhawk! I thought Gradey will go top 8, or at least top 10 and we didnt have a chance at 13. Word is, Raps didn't have to reach for Dick, he fell into their hands.
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Post by zugzwang on Jun 23, 2023 6:21:12 GMT -5
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Post by scully19 on Jun 23, 2023 8:07:12 GMT -5
Terrific. This gives major FVV vibes.
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Post by scully19 on Jun 23, 2023 9:24:42 GMT -5
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Post by scully19 on Jun 23, 2023 9:45:21 GMT -5
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Post by blueyoda on Jun 23, 2023 11:44:12 GMT -5
Sorry, they just keep cumming... Rockchalk Jayhawk! I thought Gradey will go top 8, or at least top 10 and we didnt have a chance at 13. Word is, Raps didn't have to reach for Dick, he fell into their hands. Oh god! OG to Scottie to Gradey .. Dick for 3.
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Post by scully19 on Jun 23, 2023 12:00:43 GMT -5
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Post by haisan on Jun 23, 2023 13:05:51 GMT -5
I just realized that the Raptors have only made 3 picks in the lottery over the past decade. And Dick, at 13, was their 3rd-highest pick in that time. Kind of amazing that the team has as much talent as it does.
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Post by scully19 on Jun 23, 2023 14:16:50 GMT -5
No idea if this is going to work for him, but this is really cool to have that experience for him.
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Post by fenris77 on Jun 29, 2023 1:06:50 GMT -5
I like Nowell a lot but the dude is 5'7. That's circus midget short for the NBA. Hopefully he can channel some Muggsy Bogues or something and manage to be useful off the bench. I am very pleased with Gradey Dick. I think he's going to fill a lot of holes.
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