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Post by scully19 on Apr 21, 2023 8:50:21 GMT -5
I know we had reports but I still wasn't expecting this.
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Post by freewheel on Apr 21, 2023 8:58:24 GMT -5
I wasn't expecting it either, but there was just enough of a malaise about the last third of the season to make me suspect he had checked out mentally. The quality of his coaching went downhill and he completely stopped caring about developing the younger players. Its too bad because I think this is a situation that is bad for all parties.
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Post by sandman on Apr 21, 2023 9:34:13 GMT -5
Wow, that's big news.
It's a bit of a dropoff for him and his "legacy" here in Toronto. It's too bad.
Casey might be thrilled though, in a way.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 21, 2023 10:43:38 GMT -5
Casey is moving to a front office job in Detroit next year so I'm sure he's having a great summer.
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Post by blueyoda on Apr 21, 2023 10:45:02 GMT -5
Nurse may and likely will succeed elsewhere as an HC but this was needed for a clean reset for the Raptors. I know names like Udoka, Stackhouse and others are the common replacement picks here.
Was thinking of Scott Brooks if we are indeed resetting and focusing on player development. Of course, I can see us replacing him in 3-4 years when we want to be a championship contender and get a much better Xs and Os coach. But for the next 2-3 years, it's all about developing talent and he has done it a few times pretty well.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 21, 2023 11:23:52 GMT -5
That about sums it up.
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Post by haisan on Apr 21, 2023 12:33:08 GMT -5
It was a hell of a run. But clearly it was time to move on. No bitterness no regrets. And so it goes…
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Post by freewheel on Apr 21, 2023 13:20:30 GMT -5
Ujiri really hit the bullseye with that comment. And though I put most of the blame on the poor roster construction, there is no doubt that Nurse didn't make much of an effort to change that roster balance with his rotations. No attempts to develop better shooting, passing, or execution by extending the rotations. Ujiri takes a hell of a lot of pride in his drafting ability and Nurse has made several of his recent draft choices look pretty mediocre. Now maybe they are mediocre, but this past season barely any of them got a chance. I'm sure that burned a Ujiri a bit.
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Post by sandman on Apr 23, 2023 21:28:38 GMT -5
It really was strange to see so many young guys forgotten this year.
An over emphasis on the starters minutes did not help. Way too many 38+ mins games from guys, especially when they were playing like crap.
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Post by fenris77 on Apr 23, 2023 22:34:47 GMT -5
It really was strange to see so many young guys forgotten this year. An over emphasis on the starters minutes did not help. Way too many 38+ mins games from guys, especially when they were playing like crap. Some folks have pointed to a relative lack of development for some of the youngsters and while I didn't really notice during the season, when I look back it seems like a bigger issue.
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Post by haisan on Apr 23, 2023 23:35:43 GMT -5
I was going to complain about Precious regressing, but checking out his stat line, and I guess he didn't really. If anything, his advanced stats look really similar to his rookie year. His 3-pt percentage was down a lot, but his FT% was way up. Usage rate, rebounding rate, all about the same.
I guess there seemed like regression because Precious finished the 2022 season fairly strong. And his minutes/game declined a bit this year.
Flynn, nearly the same as last year. Banton's stats were up, although his minutes were down.
Anyhow, looks like it was a frustrating year for all the bench guys.
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Post by haisan on Apr 24, 2023 2:10:13 GMT -5
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Post by freewheel on Apr 24, 2023 9:18:48 GMT -5
Its sniping for sure, but the part about not developing the young players rings true and I could see that as the basis for Ujiri deciding that another type of coach needs to be in place moving forward. You cant draft/add young guys to the roster and then bury them year after year. Maybe you can do that in LA but not Toronto. Keeping the development pipeline productive is paramount for this franchise to succeed.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 24, 2023 12:25:26 GMT -5
Sure seems like that was one of the biggest reasons based on the talk in the press conference, youth development was non existent.
Throw away comment on the Windhorst podcast today, the group was talking about Raptors really quick as a side note, but they mentioned needing a new coach and will be talking about it later but not now, and there was a very quick quib saying 'they already have their coach' laughing like it's decided. I guess that means Ime I would imagine?
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Post by blueyoda on Apr 24, 2023 17:30:39 GMT -5
Apparently, Udoka is headed to Houston. Feels like the Bud to Bucks story during the Nurse hire. Who's it then? Atkinson? Earl Watson? Stack? Hmmm
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Post by haisan on Apr 24, 2023 18:47:48 GMT -5
I honestly can’t get too excited about speculating until I know what kind of team we have next season. Our current team with a solid veteran added is very different than if we go full rebuild and end up with a lot of young guys that need development. So many unknowns still…
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Post by haisan on Apr 24, 2023 18:50:24 GMT -5
Its sniping for sure, but the part about not developing the young players rings true and I could see that as the basis for Ujiri deciding that another type of coach needs to be in place moving forward. You cant draft/add young guys to the roster and then bury them year after year. Maybe you can do that in LA but not Toronto. Keeping the development pipeline productive is paramount for this franchise to succeed. Oh, I agree. I thought it was time for Nurse to go, in large part because of his lousy player development. Just a bit annoyed our local reporters are so lazy (cough*Doug*cough) that they wait until the firing is done to report what they know/ get leaked by management.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 24, 2023 19:26:05 GMT -5
I'm interested somewhat in Earl Watson. By all accounts he was very highly regarded when he was the coach. I can't remember the whole story but Earl apparently was very stand up against Sarver for what he was doing wrong while everyone else went along with it. That kind of character guy is a good person to have as a leader of the crew.
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Post by freewheel on Apr 24, 2023 20:37:59 GMT -5
The problem with Watson is that his record as a coach is truly awful. Yeah he coached a bad team but it was his team and so the results are his to bear.
My suspicion is that the Ujuri will remake the roster first and then hire a coach second. That is unless he is keeping the same roster, then he might hire a coach fast.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 24, 2023 21:01:10 GMT -5
They said they wanted a coach by the draft, so not really possible to do the roster first.
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Post by zugzwang on Apr 25, 2023 17:02:02 GMT -5
I remember this from the last go-round, pretty soon every coach starts sounding awesome.
Right now, the articles coming out about Stackhouse are really intriguing. I didn't know he had built such a resume.
There's a convenient narrative that he's known for utilizing his bench which sounds just like what people are thirsting for. Notably, he took some heat at Venderbilt because he had his number #2 option coming off the bench, just to make sure he had one of his top scorers on the court for longer chunks of time. It seemed to work out very well and people shut up about it.
Apparently the knock on him is he is really tough on his players, and the concern is that while some players really respond to it, some pampered NBA-types might not mesh with him that well. Stack was low on my list last time, but he's sliding up!
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Post by haisan on Apr 25, 2023 17:22:39 GMT -5
I really like Stack as a disciplinarian (his stories about growing up in a family of 9 and having to fight all the time are hilarious … and sad). My worry is that he wasn’t a very good player. I remember his talking about how he didn’t understand for a long time why scoring more didn’t translate to winning more. But if he understands the modern game, I’d be interested in giving him a try.
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Post by haisan on Apr 25, 2023 17:33:43 GMT -5
Oops, 10 siblings! Including 7 brothers. But a pretty charming dude.
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Post by sutureself on Apr 25, 2023 23:00:36 GMT -5
Sure seems like that was one of the biggest reasons based on the talk in the press conference, youth development was non existent. Throw away comment on the Windhorst podcast today, the group was talking about Raptors really quick as a side note, but they mentioned needing a new coach and will be talking about it later but not now, and there was a very quick quib saying 'they already have their coach' laughing like it's decided. I guess that means Ime I would imagine?
Maybe it's because last time Raptors hired a coach they hired Nurse, who had been an assistant under Casey for 5 years; and now they're interviewing Adrian Griffin who was an assistant under Nurse for five years? Could be an internal succession plan.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 27, 2023 16:18:55 GMT -5
Think Bud is gone? That seems to be the consensus, that this type of loss you can't come back from. Sounds like Lue might be in trouble of getting cut too.
Honestly I'll take either of them and be pretty happy. Might not be perfect but are both very good coaches.
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Post by haisan on Apr 27, 2023 20:17:13 GMT -5
Anyone who’ll teach Scottie what it takes to win will be fine with me.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 29, 2023 10:54:03 GMT -5
I find myself again wanting Becky Hammon again. I just think a pioneer person, the first to do something, is usually pretty exceptional. She certainly conducts herself well, better than nurse, when asked about moving jobs:
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Post by haisan on May 15, 2023 2:20:15 GMT -5
More and more coaches getting fires as the playoffs go on. Monty Williams at Phoenix is out. I wouldn't be surprised if Doc gets fired from Philly after that game 7 fiasco.
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Post by scully19 on May 15, 2023 22:22:06 GMT -5
This coaching search is weird. It seems every single candidate is linked to the Raptors too. With so many teams looking you see reports that they interviewed diverting and it seems to always say Toronto also interested in this person. Their list must be 20 people long.
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Post by haisan on May 30, 2023 2:16:44 GMT -5
I was feeling really "meh" about Jordi Fernández (despite not really knowing much about him). But then: • I watched the episode of "The Run" about him. • I realized he's not Spanish but Catalan (like the Gasols!) • I heard he's been assistant for the Nigeria national team.
But mostly The Run thing:
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