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Post by scully19 on Apr 5, 2024 19:57:07 GMT -5
It's crazy that after this heroic tanking there is still a ~40% chance (please, please correct me) of conveying the pick. What a mess. sorry to correct you, 45.8 percent roughly to keep the pick, not convey. At 6th we are more likely to lose it than keep it.
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Post by haisan on Apr 5, 2024 20:22:34 GMT -5
I don’t mind losing a 7th or 8th pick in this crappy class. It’s knowing we’re going to have to break another of Scottie’s bones early next season, so we can really tank again, that depresses me.
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Post by Pseudonym on Apr 5, 2024 20:23:49 GMT -5
It's crazy that after this heroic tanking there is still a ~40% chance (please, please correct me) of conveying the pick. What a mess. sorry to correct you, 42 percent roughly to keep the pick, not convey. At 6th we are more likely to lose it than keep it. Absolutely disgusting. And for Yak. He wasn't even like some kind of unknown - we drafted him!
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Post by scully19 on Apr 5, 2024 21:16:08 GMT -5
sorry to correct you, 42 percent roughly to keep the pick, not convey. At 6th we are more likely to lose it than keep it. Absolutely disgusting. And for Yak. He wasn't even like some kind of unknown - we drafted him! I corrected myself above, 45.8 to keep at 6th.... But Portland is now 2 games back, however they play 5 real teams, Boston, new Orleans, golden State, Houston, Sacramento... Double however, the last 3 teams might be locked up by then. Golden State basically assured 10th, Houston out and Sacramento still got positions to play for but might not on the just game. So you're saying there's a chance.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 5, 2024 21:18:50 GMT -5
Also I don't mean to alarm people but Grange tweeted something a couple days ago that is haunting, basically that this horrible year could lead to them getting 0 first round picks. If Indiana loses in the play in and is in the lottery, then gets a top 3 pick where we don't move up, they would essentially bump us down to 7 and they would keep there's all in one fell swoop.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 5, 2024 21:21:08 GMT -5
I don’t mind losing a 7th or 8th pick in this crappy class. It’s knowing we’re going to have to break another of Scottie’s bones early next season, so we can really tank again, that depresses me. Agreed, I would think we're a play in team next year and giving over a decent pick in a good year... If we keep it this year.
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Post by haisan on Apr 7, 2024 2:22:11 GMT -5
So, we’re actually going to get the clash of big men for the NCAA finals. Could be quite a game.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 8, 2024 17:11:53 GMT -5
Winning next game hurts Indiana and possibly improves that pick. At the same time it also puts them in the danger zone only needing 1 more win while playing the Nets next so a very winnable game.
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Post by sandman on Apr 8, 2024 21:14:40 GMT -5
I'm assuming Edey's stock has risen, so with that early 2nd, give me any one of the remaining Uconn players.
It's so refreshing watching NCAA finals compared to NBA. Just a better vibe.
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Post by haisan on Apr 9, 2024 2:39:05 GMT -5
This year was the best NCAA tournament — for the men and the women — that I can remember. Good games, interesting storylines, and some of the best players made it all the way to the end.
About Edey, though .... I must say, he really really impressed me. But I'm also fairly convinced that he won't be a great NBA center. I could be wrong, of course, but that was my takeaway after that final game.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 9, 2024 9:27:57 GMT -5
In a reactionary response to the end of the tournament, KOC updated The Ringer's board and 2 UConn players are at the top 3, with Castle being 1 and Clingan being 3. I don't know enough about either but having them bump to the top seems a little bit too much based on the tournament, which i guess is what always happens. Edey went to 17 where he was 20's before i believe.
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Post by haisan on Apr 9, 2024 12:33:58 GMT -5
KOC is hardly my favorite draft analyzer. Very histrionic.
More than any draft I can recall in years, I'm much less interested in who will pick whom than in who will be the best players. I suspect there will be very little overlap between the two.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 9, 2024 13:43:41 GMT -5
I agree, i think the order of draft trustable sources is very clearly 1. Givony 2. Vecenie 3. Hollinger 4. A bunch of people.
I just like The Ringer because they are fast.
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Post by scully19 on Apr 9, 2024 14:00:31 GMT -5
This guy looks interesting and don't see him on much draft boards:
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Post by haisan on Apr 13, 2024 1:45:56 GMT -5
Kind of amazing that, with 1 game left in the season, the Pacers pick could still end up being anywhere from 14 to 19. Quite a cluster in that middle region.
(And it’s still possible they could fall into the playin game, lose, win the lottery, and then the Raptors wouldn’t get the pick at all. … Or they could win the lottery but get the 4th pick, in which case Ujiri would be hailed as a warlock).
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Post by haisan on Apr 23, 2024 6:19:38 GMT -5
Raptors doing a lot of losing these days. Just lost the 4-way tie for the draft. Pacers’ pick falls to 19th.
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Post by sandman on Apr 23, 2024 11:24:13 GMT -5
Edey at that spot.
Might be a bit of a reach but hey..
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Post by scully19 on May 12, 2024 11:08:57 GMT -5
T minus 3 hours until we find out how bad of a season this actually was. Do we keep a pick this year and the losing pulls back some value, or do we follow the odds and give away the 7th pick in the draft to the Spurs.
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Post by scully19 on May 12, 2024 15:30:04 GMT -5
Knew it was gone when you hear Atlanta and Houston both moved up on the 10th pick. Toronto gets 8th, so the Spurs get 8th. Really just a garbage year for results.
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Post by freewheel on May 12, 2024 16:49:32 GMT -5
It was always going to happen. Losing the pick represents that the championship hangover is finally done. So many mistakes were made in the following years. The truth is that it was over when Leonard didn't resign, but it took 4 years for management to admit it to themselves.
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Post by haisan on May 12, 2024 17:03:28 GMT -5
It was always going to happen. Losing the pick represents that the championship hangover is finally done. So many mistakes were made in the following years. The truth is that it was over when Leonard didn't resign, but it took 4 years for management to admit it to themselves. Quality narrative. Happy the Hawks won this lottery… since there’s a good chance the pick won’t help them that much. Hawks suck. I always thought there was a decent chance the Raptors would do better with their Pacers’ pick than the top-6. Such a weird draft. Really is amazing that the Spurs won the tank lottery in the one year that the No. 1 pick truly mattered. No idea how much interest I’ll have in the Raptors next season. They seem … okay. Ish. Not really tankable, without a couple of major injuries. But not really a threat for the playin game. Sag for Flagg? Trade for an expensive star? Meh.
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Post by scully19 on May 12, 2024 17:08:37 GMT -5
It was always going to happen. Losing the pick represents that the championship hangover is finally done. So many mistakes were made in the following years. The truth is that it was over when Leonard didn't resign, but it took 4 years for management to admit it to themselves. that team should have gone to the eastern conference finals the next year if siakam did what the rest of the league did she kept playing when they shouldn't have. I wouldn't say that was over even if it wasn't a contender it was a top 2 East team.
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Post by sandman on May 13, 2024 17:28:12 GMT -5
Final nail in the coffin.
Masai and co. get one more chance now.
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Post by scully19 on May 13, 2024 21:06:08 GMT -5
Now that they have their pick back for next year, let's trade away Poeltl but keep the others and hope that keeps the tank good enough for bottom 8, then build it up.
I'm just kidding... Or am I?
Really I don't know what I want them to do. It feels so mismanaged. Thank God Scottie and IQ seems like really nice pieces and Barrett looks like a steal for a contract balancer. After that who the hell knows that this team is.
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Post by scully19 on May 13, 2024 21:47:42 GMT -5
So listening to Bill Simmons today and him and Ryen are saying that this draft is like starting last year's draft at like 8, so take the best 7 and cut them out and start at 8. Good players are going to come from this group still obviously but this is going to be ugly.
In saying that, you are going to largely be betting on players development upside and likelihood to reach that upside. With that in mind I think taking Bronny with 31 just might be a good risk reward swing. Hear me out:
Before his blood clot Givony had him as 10th best player this draft and not as a joke or that some team just goes for it to get Lebron but that he thought of him that highly. This injury bumped his value significantly with good reason, but value drops are opportunity to buy really low like they did with OG coming off a knee injury.
As I said this draft is terrible and you are banking on likelihood to reach their potential... And this guy has LeBron James as his mentor and will have the ability and resources to be able to follow the same structured health and fitness flow that LeBron did. Which person in this draft has a higher likelihood to hit their ceiling? Gotta be no one.
31st pick is a crap shoot anyways, plus a bad year, what do they have to lose?
I'm also not saying this to get Lebron, I don't think he's coming this year anyways, he's not leaving LA. plus I really don't think him being here is actually a good thing. But what about 1 or 2 years from now, final year? Coach his son and Scottie and not really play? Could be a nice piece then.
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Post by scully19 on May 14, 2024 10:13:24 GMT -5
I continue to think the Raptors are likely to take Zach Edey, they like older guys it seems and Canadians and he seems to have a little bit better ability in his perceived lows (3pt shooting he's showing he has some already he was just never allowed to use it, and lane agility numbers were actually really good).
Other side, Nikola Topic who was in the running for picking anywhere in the top 5 just had a non-contact knee injury that might be a big problem for him...well that means he's dropping off big time and if it makes it to 19 then that should be the definite pick.
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Post by freewheel on May 14, 2024 11:16:42 GMT -5
I have nothing against taking B James with a late pick though I suspect he'll be gone earlier. It comes down to how athletic he is and does he have his fathers physical stature? The Raptors need more players with some ability to play a physical game. Then it just comes down to whether his skills develop or not. That being said, I havent watched a single minute of him playing basketball so I don't know if he has any potential at all.
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Post by haisan on May 15, 2024 2:21:22 GMT -5
With 19 and 31, consider me interested in Zach Edey too. At the very least, I could see him starting strong, just because of his massive size (then maybe tailing off later in the year as people figure out his shortcoming)
If Carlton Carrington is still around at 31, I could see Carlton Carrington. I think he’s the youngest player in the draft so has considerable upside.
The Grizz are apparently in win-now mode and want a center. Poeltl for the 9th pick and some future picks? Helps our tank for Flagg and gives us future assets
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Post by scully19 on May 15, 2024 8:22:16 GMT -5
With 19 and 31, consider me interested in Zach Edey too. At the very least, I could see him starting strong, just because of his massive size (then maybe tailing off later in the year as people figure out his shortcoming) If Carlton Carrington is still around at 31, I could see Carlton Carrington. I think he’s the youngest player in the draft so has considerable upside. The Grizz are apparently in win-now mode and want a center. Poeltl for the 9th pick and some future picks? Helps our tank for Flagg and gives us future assets Rumor now is after the combine, because Edey improved a lot in his negative areas like lane agility that he might have moved up to top 10 in some places. Seems less likely that he's making down to 19 now. I would absolutely do Poeltl for 8th plus future firsts and tank again next year, looks for some luck, get another quality piece and hopefully top level and then go all in for playoffs at that point. Just doesn't seem like this team has enough overall assets to be able to start trying to win without only making it halfway.
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Post by scully19 on May 16, 2024 21:50:29 GMT -5
Likely gone before we draft, but John Hollinger guy he ranks way higher than everyone else this year, like Scottie bathed when we got him, is Ron Holland who he has top. He's 7 for Vecenie and 11 for Givony ESPN.
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