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Post by scully19 on Feb 4, 2022 14:39:23 GMT -5
Kick this off with our old friend Norman Powell going to the Clippers...of course...in stalking Kawhi they clearly liked what they saw from many of the Raptors there at the time.
So it sure appears as if Portland has finally decided to tear it down. This might not involve getting rid of Lillard but just taking the down year to get a very high pick to help build up again around him, similar to the Raptors last year. Take the 1 down year and be right back into a good team with a new structure. It will be interesting to see who else gets sent away and what Portland is planning in the near term. For their sake I really hope CJ finally gets moved so you can pair Dame with a top level guard defender to help balance their roster.
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Post by freewheel on Feb 4, 2022 15:48:25 GMT -5
I think thats actually a pretty good deal for the Clippers but why are the Clippers doing it? Without Leonard and George they are going nowhere in this years playoffs.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 4, 2022 16:05:58 GMT -5
I think thats actually a pretty good deal for the Clippers but why are the Clippers doing it? Without Leonard and George they are going nowhere in this years playoffs. I think it's a great deal on their part. They are maxed out on money obviously with PG + KL and the only way to get guys of >MLE contract levels is to not lose the assets that make that much. Trading an expiring Bledsoe at 17.5mill for long term Norm means they come back with Norman next year + MLE (or whatever they would qualify for) instead of just MLE. I think they robbed Portland who should have left with at least a decently protected first. They have a huge bill but obviously don't care about that but about building a winner. Taking Covington too fits them so much better as he can be an off ball defender instead of on ball. It's really the same with us and Dragic. His expiring does nothing, we are above one cap and below another regardless so we get no extra room if we let him walk. Better to trade him for any asset now that can be used later to get a different one rather than have nothing.
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Post by Pseudonym on Feb 4, 2022 17:05:20 GMT -5
God-tier asset management: Andrea Bargnani is on the Kawhi Leonard trade tree.
Bad asset management: Effectively traded Gary Trent Jr. for Eric Biedsoe
Great deal for the Clippers. All the Blazers had to do this whole goddamn time is flip CJ to balance out their roster, and they just never did.
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Post by haisan on Feb 4, 2022 18:12:26 GMT -5
So it’s looking like the Simmons-Harden trade might actually be happening. Which is a scary thought for several reasons (especially if Harden suddenly “finds his smile” with Philadelphia). Simmons with Kyrie and Durant is pretty scary too.
But what that’s trade says about the league and “player empowerment”? Shudder …
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Post by sandman on Feb 4, 2022 18:46:20 GMT -5
God, the NBA is filled with Divas.
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Post by freewheel on Feb 4, 2022 19:16:43 GMT -5
All this talkabout Harden and I'd like the NBA talking heads to finally admit Irving ain't all that special. I keep reading that he's possibly the most skilled player in the league. Well this ultra skilled player doesn't impact winning much. I think if he was the best player of his own team they would probably be in the lottery every year.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 4, 2022 19:58:38 GMT -5
God-tier asset management: Andrea Bargnani is on the Kawhi Leonard trade tree. Bad asset management: Effectively traded Gary Trent Jr. for Eric Biedsoe Great deal for the Clippers. All the Blazers had to do this whole goddamn time is flip CJ to balance out their roster, and they just never did. that trade tree for the bad asset management is even worse, I want to see someone lay it out but they traded 2 first round picks for Robert Covington, so it's roughly more like 2 first round picks and GTJ for cap space.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 4, 2022 20:13:53 GMT -5
So it’s looking like the Simmons-Harden trade might actually be happening. Which is a scary thought for several reasons (especially if Harden suddenly “finds his smile” with Philadelphia). Simmons with Kyrie and Durant is pretty scary too. But what that’s trade says about the league and “player empowerment”? Shudder … you said it, that would be a trade that helps both teams. Nets need some defenders and the isolation guys can play around the zero on offense of Simmons. Harden and Embiid obviously fits well.
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Post by freewheel on Feb 4, 2022 22:03:36 GMT -5
I find it strange that the Nets would want to boost the Sixers. If Durant is healthy then I think the Nets are better than the Sixers. Of course if Harden checks out mentally then the Nets are sunk. Irving never really checks in and I suspect that's part of it. That being the case then Simmons makes sense. Might cost them a title but what else can you do with Harden?
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Post by scully19 on Feb 6, 2022 9:18:20 GMT -5
I think it's mostly a forced trade where Harden has a player option and if he tells them he's leaving then I think I would rather trade him for Simmons and Maxey or something rather than get nothing back. Helping the 76ers is bad but at the same time you got to think you are better off trading a late age player for a young one that while he bought not be better he is a better fit.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 8, 2022 17:26:05 GMT -5
Couple trades coming in today:
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Post by sandman on Feb 8, 2022 20:28:15 GMT -5
I feel like Sabonis is kind of underrated. He puts up some solid numbers. Sort of like a JV? But Haliburton is a good young piece.
I feel the CJ trade was weak for Portland. A lotto protected 1st?
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Post by scully19 on Feb 8, 2022 21:46:59 GMT -5
Bad contact probably had no takers. Seems like they've been trying for years. I guess they expect to refill the team around Dame with free agents... If there are any.
Pacers is meh, I'm a little on the other side I think sabonis is overrated, he does well but the team needs to be built around him and he's not good enough for that.
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Post by freewheel on Feb 8, 2022 22:05:30 GMT -5
The 4 teams making deals with each other are either perennial bottom feeders or heading in that direction. It's always a little interesting to see players move but none of this is moving the needle much. The Wizards should have gotten involved since they'd fit right in.
What it does accomplish is taking a whole lot of bodies that could have gone to good teams out of the pool. Makes it less likely the good team will be able to make themselves better.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 8, 2022 22:10:33 GMT -5
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Post by scully19 on Feb 9, 2022 14:14:25 GMT -5
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Post by freewheel on Feb 10, 2022 0:03:29 GMT -5
Doesn't look like much is going to happen. Pretty boring that all the top teams aren't willing to try to get better. I guess we'll find out tomorrow. I really think the Raptors should do something even if it's just sending Flynn on his way.
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Post by haisan on Feb 10, 2022 2:54:53 GMT -5
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Post by scully19 on Feb 10, 2022 9:42:57 GMT -5
Getting THT and Noel for Dragic and a first...meh
THT sounded like last year was desired but he seems to be doing terrible this year. Admittedly I haven't watched anything at all from him but his shooting is terrible.
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Post by freewheel on Feb 10, 2022 9:43:32 GMT -5
I would consider that a pretty decent depth deal. THT has had a tough season but he has looked pretty good at times last season. Hes strong and a reasonably good ball handler who can pass a little bit. The main problem is that he isnt really a guard, more of a guard-forward. The Raps really need a combo guard who can play both PG and SG. A Delon Wright type. The contract isn't bad if he contributes and if he doesn't, its not completely untradeable.
Noel is just a guy to throw into the mix with Birch and Achiuwa. He wont demand minutes unless for some reason he starts playing great and if that happened I'd be thrilled. His salary might be a little high though.
Hasn't happened yet though so maybe this nothing.
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Post by Pseudonym on Feb 10, 2022 12:25:10 GMT -5
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Post by sutureself on Feb 10, 2022 12:45:12 GMT -5
Bit of a weird trade, Raps send out Dragic and a lottery protected 1st for Young (who is also expiring), Drew Eubanks (team option next year), and Pistons 2nd rounder. I guess Raps are hoping they stay hot and the drop from end of 1st to beginning of 2nd is only a few spots. But feels weird to give up draft capital for an aging veteran who is another 3-4 tweener and doesn’t really solve anything long term for the team. I guess short term he helps out with the vets minutes crunch. Eubanks is pretty meh to me, 6’9” 250 plugger who can’t shoot but is a depth body you can throw out at C
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Post by freewheel on Feb 10, 2022 13:27:49 GMT -5
Man, the Clippers did pretty well for the corpse of Serge Ibaka. They haven't made any franchise changing deals but got pretty good value for a bunch of spare parts. Powell, Divicenzo, Covington. Those are the type of players that we needed to make a run. Sorry I read it wrong. The clippers just get more spare parts. Ibaka's corpse is still a corpse. Maybe the Bucks will rejuvenate him or is that resuscitate?
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Post by scully19 on Feb 10, 2022 13:31:30 GMT -5
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Post by sutureself on Feb 10, 2022 14:24:28 GMT -5
Part of me wants to tip the cap to Morey for actually going out and getting an franchise player like he said. It will be interesting though to see if Harden returns to form or if this becomes like how every year a new team trades for Westbrook thinking they're getting a former MVP, and then realize they actually got an inefficient chucker instead. Harden's numbers this year are extremely Westbrick like; 22pt-8rb-10as looks pretty sweet until you realize he's only shooting 41/32 with almost 5 turnovers a game. For comparison Russ is 18-8-8 43/29 with 4 turnovers a game.
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Post by freewheel on Feb 10, 2022 14:30:58 GMT -5
At least Westbrook is in shape. Harden looks fatter every year. I think he opens the Sixers championship window a bit but shortens it big time.
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Post by Pseudonym on Feb 10, 2022 15:18:41 GMT -5
Diamond Hands Morey. Bravo. I need to see a Sixers-Nets series.
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Post by scully19 on Feb 10, 2022 15:52:19 GMT -5
At least Westbrook is in shape. Harden looks fatter every year. I think he opens the Sixers championship window a bit but shortens it big time. I'm wondering if next year we see an in shape Harden from the jump going for a championship full bore. He has to know this is his last chance and he needs to do his part.
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Post by freewheel on Feb 10, 2022 16:02:49 GMT -5
I'm wondering if next year we see an in shape Harden from the jump going for a championship full bore. He has to know this is his last chance and he needs to do his part. Or maybe Embiid takes one look at Harden and decides if you're really good then you don't have to worry about conditioning. And I actually think there is some truth to that until you get old and start to run into injuries. Its past age 32 when your good conditioning habits pay off.
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